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John Briley
Post Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:17 pm

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Today is Tuesday, June 11, 2013 and we are at T-Minus ten (10) days and counting before the fourth Department of Labor (DOL) investigation extension is due to expire on Friday, June 21, 2013, regarding the conduct of Local 5’s Election of Officer’s. Depending on the DOL’s ruling, Local 5 “may” be required to run a Third Union Election.

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Here are the Four (4) DOL investigation extension letters as of today's date.

1. Extension to March 29, 2013:
http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/ufcw_time_waiver_agreement.pdf

2. Extension to April 19, 2013:
http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/dol_time_waiver2.pdf

3. Extension to May 10, 2013:
http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/dol_investigation_extension.pdf

4. Extension to June 21, 2013:
http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/dol_investigation_time_waiver3.pdf


For reference purposes here are previous threads concerning this subject matter.

Rivera Challenges Lind For Local 5 Presidency
http://forums.uncharted.ca/viewtopic.php?t=1832

UFCW Local 5's "Do Over" Officer Elections
http://forums.uncharted.ca/viewtopic.php?t=1897&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


While we wait for the 4th DOL investigation extension to expire on June 21st, I wanted to share some of my thoughts.

http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/dol_investigation_time_waiver3.pdf

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Having no idea how the DOL will rule, here are 4 "different scenario's" that "may" take place.

SCENARIO #1: DOL Orders an Election between Roger Rivera & President Ron Lind (Only).

SCENARIO #2: DOL Orders another "Nomination & Election" of ALL Officers @ Local 5.
(Roger Rivera Included)

SCENARIO #3: DOL Orders another "Nomination & Election" of ALL officers @ Local 5.
(Roger Rivera Excluded.)

SCENARIO #4: DOL does nothing and simply "walks away"!


UFCW LOCAL 5 ELECTION OF OFFICERS 2012:
http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/ufcw5_summer_2012.pdf


Based on the June 21st deadline approaching quickly, I would suggest that Roger Rivera and his entire slate start scheduling meetings immediately to begin their plan of attack on the “possibility” of a third Local Union Election of Officer’s being held at UFCW Local 5.

Said meetings should include discussion on candidates for targeted officer's positions, including language / message for flyers, time table to hit our stores / Local 5 members, etc.

BTW… Keep in mind that depending on the DOL's June 21st ruling, the upcoming I.U. Convention "may" impact the time table of events for all potential Local 5 Candidates? Some I.U. Convention Delegates at Local 5, “may” have to decide to attend the Convention or stay home and campaign for their Local Union Officer position(s)????

McCormick Place West Convention Center
Chicago, Illinois

Monday, August 12 to
Friday, August 16, 2013

Additionally, it is also important to keep in mind that as President Lind and his Regime continue to create Colossal Cluster Messes here at Local 5, the I.U. and Loveall over at Local 8 are lying in the weeds just waiting to jump in for the kill!

By way of an example, for those of you who followed the following thread know exactly what I’m referring to and what the I.U. and Loveall are both capable of accomplishing!

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Sinister Plot or Justified Trusteeship
http://forums.uncharted.ca/about1100-0-asc-0.html


Just a matter of time before we know the rest of the story! Twisted Evil
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John Briley
Post Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:40 pm

Joined: 21 Nov 2007
Posts: 2147
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Having no idea how the DOL will rule, here are 4 "different scenario's" that "may" take place.

SCENARIO #1: DOL Orders an Election between Roger Rivera & President Ron Lind (Only).

SCENARIO #2: DOL Orders another "Nomination & Election" for ALL Officers @ Local 5.
(Roger Rivera Included)

SCENARIO #3: DOL Orders another "Nomination & Election" for ALL officers @ Local 5.
(Roger Rivera Excluded.)

SCENARIO #4: DOL does nothing and simply "walks away"!


Here's another Scenario to think about.

Let's assume for a moment that the Department of Labor (DOL) does not accept "any" of the results from the 2nd Local Union Officer's Election held at Local 5.

Subsequently, as part of their upcoming June 21st ruling the DOL "may" order the following.

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Scenario #5: DOL orders another "Nomination & Election" for "Incumbent" Officer's (Only) who were elected as a result from the first Local 5 Union Election.


BTW... as previously posted here:

UFCW International Convention 2013
http://forums.uncharted.ca/viewtopic.php?t=1900&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


I've been told that the split /rift between Local 5's staff, "may" have inspired "some" Local 5 Staffer's to "seriously consider" challenging President Lind "if" the DOL order's another Local 5 election?

Should make for some interesting drama to unfold in the days to come.

I've been told that Former Local 101 President, Mike Borstel (currently working out of Local 5's South S.F. office) and John Nunes (currently working out of Local 5's Hayward office) "may" bite the bullet and run against President Lind?

If the above is accurate, I wonder "if" Terry Gonzales (currently working out of Local 5's San Jose office) will not seize the moment and run against Lind also??

Additionally, another interesting component to this soap opera is Local 5's current Sec. Treasurer, Tim Hamann.

UFCW Local 5 For $ale
http://forums.uncharted.ca/viewtopic.php?t=1837&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


I've been told and it's "alleged" that Tim Hamann "may" be supporting Mike Borstel "if" Borstel should decide to run against President Lind?

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T Minus Nine (9) Days and Counting

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Inside Lurker
Post Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:24 pm

Joined: 01 Nov 2009
Posts: 178
John Briley wrote:


I've been told that the split /rift between Local 5's staff, "may" have inspired "some" Local 5 Staffer's to "seriously consider" challenging President Lind "if" the DOL order's another Local 5 election?

Should make for some interesting drama to unfold in the days to come.

I've been told that Former Local 101 President, Mike Borstel (currently working out of Local 5's South S.F. office) and John Nunes (currently working out of Local 5's Hayward office) "may" bite the bullet and run against President Lind?

If the above is accurate, I wonder "if" Terry Gonzales (currently working out of Local 5's San Jose office) will not seize the moment and run against Lind also??

Additionally, another interesting component to this soap opera is Local 5's current Sec. Treasurer, Tim Hamann.

UFCW Local 5 For $ale
http://forums.uncharted.ca/viewtopic.php?t=1837&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


I've been told and it's "alleged" that Tim Hamann "may" be supporting Mike Borstel "if" Borstel should decide to run against President Lind?

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T Minus Nine (9) Days and Counting


Kind of comical to watch the feeding frenzy take place as all these staffers start to feed on themselves. Let the throat cutting begin.

John I heard allegedly that at least one, maybe more, of the staffers at Local 5 have filed for Whistle Blower Protection? Make’s one wonder what kind of dirt is Local 5 involved with if staffers are running for cover under Whistle Blower Protection?

If there's truly whistle blowing coming down within Local 5 hopefully the criminal trail will at some point lead to the Loveall regime at Local 8.

So much for “solidarity works”.
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reddog
Post Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:23 am

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Posts: 31
Hello Briley. Your alter ego of "Inside Lurker" is getting a little worn out. Just come out of the closet and say what you want to say. It's not like you are still an officer of the UFCW and have a reputation to protect.
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John Briley
Post Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:23 am

Joined: 21 Nov 2007
Posts: 2147
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Here are the Four (4) DOL investigation extension letters as of today's date.

1. Extension to March 29, 2013:
http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/ufcw_time_waiver_agreement.pdf

2. Extension to April 19, 2013:
http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/dol_time_waiver2.pdf

3. Extension to May 10, 2013:
http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/dol_investigation_extension.pdf

4. Extension to June 21, 2013: http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/dol_investigation_time_waiver3.pdf


Just in.... DOL Extension #5 to July 19, 2013.



Hey reddog.... I really do not know how to respond to your Bull Shit accusation other than to say that you are way off base.

From day one I've posted under my real name. I have nothing to hide and or any reputation to protect. Check it out with the webmaster here at uncharted.ca if you do not believe me.

Next time you want to post something, make sure you have your shit straight so you won't waste our time.

Better yet reddog..... why don't you come out of the closet under your "real name" / "alter ego" and say want you want to say!
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Inside Lurker
Post Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:16 am

Joined: 01 Nov 2009
Posts: 178
reddog wrote:
Hello Briley. Your alter ego of "Inside Lurker" is getting a little worn out. Just come out of the closet and say what you want to say. It's not like you are still an officer of the UFCW and have a reputation to protect.


Reputation? What kind of reputation would be worth protecting as a UFCW officer? The reputation of corruption and sleeping with the boss. Not a reputation that I’d want to protect. More of a reputation where most of these UFCW officers should be hiding their heads in shame.

Maybe you should visit some of the UFCW members working in the stores reddog and see how these recent UFCW CBA’s are affecting their lives. For example this new healthcare system that the Nor Cal UFCW locals and their corporate pals have forced down members throats is so fucked up that even some of the UFCW staff is getting screwed by it, so I hear anyway. Shameful!

BTW reddog, if you think I’m Briley you have the wrong person. Your way off. Does it really matter though who we all are as long as the truth get's out to the people? That should be all that matters here unless your part of the corruption and have something to cover up.
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Laboryes
Post Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:00 pm

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reddog wrote:
It's not like you are still an officer of the UFCW and have a reputation to protect.




Reputation Question You mean like the reputation that Ron Lind & Jacques Loveall currently hold with their members?

I would think "reputation" & the UFCW are like oil & vinegar-they don't mix! Not these days anyway Rolling Eyes

Thanks for the laugh Reddog!

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reddog
Post Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:56 am

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Thanks for the compliment Laboryes.
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notmydues
Post Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:18 am

Joined: 13 Feb 2013
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Reddog you were close but by definition a 'lurker' is typically someone who observes but does not really actively get involved. That then rules out JB.

It does qualify a few of the staff at both locals 5 or 8 that have a direct line to JB. Inside Staffer you are part of the problem and I don't want my dues going to you or any other leader that takes a job on the side. Focus on the membership or get out now.
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Inside Lurker
Post Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:08 am

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notmydues wrote:


It does qualify a few of the staff at both locals 5 or 8 that have a direct line to JB. Inside Staffer you are part of the problem and I don't want my dues going to you or any other leader that takes a job on the side. Focus on the membership or get out now.


Interesting post notmydues. Can you elaborate how I'm "part of the problem"?

Also how do you know that "inside staffer" is just one person? It could be that "inside staffer" is multiple insiders, ever think of that? Again what's it matter who is who as long as information that dues paying members need to know is getting out?

If the corruption is exposed and the members choose to do something with it to hold their leaders accountable[such as what's happening within Local 5] that's a good thing, right?

If the members do nothing with the information then shame on them and they may deserve what they are getting...a corrupt union leadership. Either way the choice is theirs.
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notmydues
Post Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:27 am

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I agree on all of your points. 'If' corruption exists, it should be or continue to be exposed. And if dues paying members sit on their butts then damn it. Count me in--no sitting here.
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reddog
Post Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:40 am

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"Reddog you were close but by definition a "lurker" is typically someone who observes but does not really actively get involved. That then rules out JB."


Hi Notmydues. A little history lesson. Mr. Briley (President of former Local 839) was a major proponent of crowning Mr. Lind President of Local 5. At the time of the merger, Mr. Briley was, by far, the longest running President of the 7 merging locals.

Mr Briley knew all the top players in the prospective merger very well, Mr. Lind included. The merger agreement gave Mr. Briley the authority to act in the capacity as a consultant and confidant to Mr. Lind, and he was not merely an observer.

The merger agreement was mailed to all Local 5 members, and you would have been mailed a copy as I was as a member of Local 5.
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Inside Lurker
Post Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:12 am

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reddog wrote:


Hi Notmydues. A little history lesson. Mr. Briley (President of former Local 839) was a major proponent of crowning Mr. Lind President of Local 5. At the time of the merger, Mr. Briley was, by far, the longest running President of the 7 merging locals.

Mr Briley knew all the top players in the prospective merger very well, Mr. Lind included. The merger agreement gave Mr. Briley the authority to act in the capacity as a consultant and confidant to Mr. Lind, and he was not merely an observer.

The merger agreement was mailed to all Local 5 members, and you would have been mailed a copy as I was as a member of Local 5.


So what is it your exactly trying to say reddog?

Don't be shy, say what you mean so we can get on with this conversation.
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notmydues
Post Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:23 pm

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Reddog- why was he a proponent of the merger then? What did he have to gain from it, if anything? Or was it simply close to retirement time?

Please finish the conversation and the ' history lesson.'
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Post Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:55 pm

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