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loonietunes	Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:09 pm
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 1210	Lost in all of the pure politics and economic chaos of the day is the fact that well over 50 million Americans, including many dues paying union members and retired folks currently have had no Medical Insurance and the millions more that will soon join them as many folks continue to loose their jobs and the medical insurance that goes with it. Cobra coverage can only last so long. Beyond the obvious of this travesty being a humanitarian crisis of pandemic proportion, it will soon become critical to our own national survival. Millions of these new folks and their young children who simply can not afford nor qualify for medical insurance and can no longer go to the free clinic because it has just been closed do to lack of public funds and are forced to roam the streets with the millions already there from years past will in do course be spreading new and vicious viruses among themselves and then in short order will be spreading diseases to the Nobles and then finally to the Kings and Queens safely living beyond their castle walls and who think that they are immune to this spreading cancer only to find out that they to will be caught up in this travesty. History can and usually does repeat itself! If folks can't support universal health care for humanitarian reasons then they should support it for their own selfish instinct of personal survival.IMHO _________________ "BE STRONG AND OF GOOD COURAGE"
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SharynS	Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:56 pm
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2533 Location: the 'puter	Lt is that you? The OB heath care reform page(s). _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie
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Laboryes	Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:45 pm
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1679	loonietunes wrote: Millions of these new folks and their young children who simply can not afford nor qualify for medical insurance and can no longer go to the free clinic because it has just been closed do to lack of public funds and are forced to roam the streets with the millions already there from years past will in do course be spreading new and vicious viruses among themselves and then in short order will be spreading diseases to the Nobles and then finally to the Kings and Queens safely living beyond their castle walls and who think that they are immune to this spreading cancer only to find out that they to will be caught up in this travesty. Now wouldn’t that just be karmic to watch as Steve Burd and his buddy Loveall withered away from some strange, unknown, incurable disease that just flew in airborne from the nearest homeless camp? _________________ "When people refuse to obey, then democracy comes alive." Howard Zinn
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Bill Sable	Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:39 pm
Joined: 14 Feb 2009 Posts: 144	A full and righteous "AMEN !!" Brother LT. Why? Check the numbers I'm about to post on the "Cancer" thread.
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loonietunes	Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:15 am
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 1210	Quote: Now wouldn’t that just be karmic to watch as Steve Burd and his buddy Loveall withered away from some strange, unknown, incurable disease that just flew in airborne from the nearest homeless camp? This may not be that far fetched even in 2009 and in this age of i phones, i pods, LCD 70 inch screens and camera ready all seeing lap tops. I found the following article to be interesting.... www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/plague.htm especially if you scroll down to the section titled: The Breakdown Of Social Order Does part of this sound a little too familiar? _________________ "BE STRONG AND OF GOOD COURAGE"
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John A. Joslin	Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:35 pm
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 71 Location: Detroit, Michigan U.S.A. IBEW #58	Health Care reform advisory : Obama currently supports what his people are calling the " *Public Option* "reform plan. Obama and majority of Democrats are not currently supporting Single-Payer health care reform. Ever wonder why the U.S. based insurance industry wants everyone to support the so-called "Public Option" reform plan ? Check out what one hard working Health Care reform activist in the U.S. says about the "Public Option" "The public option preserves all the systemic deficiencies that we see in the current system,” Skala said. “It maintains a finance system that is based on private insurance and private insurers and their drive to fight claims, issue denials, screen out the sick and make a big profit generate tremendous administrative waste — 400 billion dollars a year.” - Nick Skala ( from interview)
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loonietunes	Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:00 pm
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 1210	John, I think most of us posting here can agree that the real issue is to establish Universal Health Care How we set it up and how we get there can and should be debated and I have no problem with that. The key is that everyday folks should not have to go begging just to get some medical insurance for them selves or their family members. And certainly there should be a serious comprehensive plan in place that covers folks regardless if someone is working or if someone becomes unemployed. Cobra has got to be replaced with something that cannot expire. Medical insurance and access to proper medical care should not just be a nice perk for the well to do or for those that are well connected or are owed political favors or for our politicians in DC or at the State and Local levels or only for civil service employees. Medical Insurance and the access to proper medical care needs to be "guaranteed" for all individuals just like clean water and the air in our lungs. Medical Insurance should be ours to have and enjoy from the moment we are born to the momement they throw dirt over us with no strings attached and no need for anyone to jump through any hoops to obtain it. I support any effort that will achieve this goal. "Life" and the"Pursuit of Happiness" cannot begin to be fully achieved unless someone who gets sick is afforded the opportunity to get well and doing so without going broke! _________________ "BE STRONG AND OF GOOD COURAGE"
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Laboryes	Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:53 pm
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1679	Being that we are discussing health care reform on this thread wondering what everyone's thoughts on this article are?.............. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124476804026308603.html I have mixed emotions on Steve Turd's article, while I support a healthy life style way of living I do see this program by Burd as big brother taking away more of people's rights to choose for themselves. First the seat belt law....then the helmet law....and now if you choose to drink, smoke or eat like shit you will be penalized by your health care coverage? We as a people need to be very careful how far we allow corporate CEO types to interfere with our personal lives outside of the workplace! Another thought with burd's health plan if a worker already has a current health problem will they be denied certain coverage for the illness? This whole article from Burd would explain why Local 8 members are being spammed & harassed with phone calls by Loveall and his "Med Expert" to sign up for the HRA health questionnaire! My suggestion....people be very-very careful about what information you are willing to give up to Loveall or your employer regarding your health! Your personal business is worth a lot more than a few hundred bucks IMO. _________________ "When people refuse to obey, then democracy comes alive." Howard Zinn
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loonietunes	Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:46 pm
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 1210	Ly, This is why I would insist on a comprehensive Universal Medical Insurance program that covers and allows for medical procedures for everyone from Birth to their natural death period! No strings attatched. No qualifiers. No desired behavior that must be followed in order to qualify. Fuck Burd and everyone that looks like him. Let me say this one again...Fuck you Steve Burd and anyone that looks or smells like you. When we pay retirees their Social Security retirement or union pensions we don't say to them spend it this way or that way or else we will take it away. Let me be crystal clear as to what I am saying here. I am talking about setting up a National Program that no questions are asked of anyone period. You need fucking medical attention you go to your doctor or hospital and you get it end of story. Oh the cost? Well the way I see it is this way: If we can bail out wall street and their friends to the tune of Trillions then surely we can figure a way to fund this new comprehensive cradle to grave medical coverage without any rationing of health care or any denial of medical procedures because of a person's age or lifestyle. Fuck these people that talk like Steve Burd. Perhaps setting it up so that it is funded by payroll taxes similar to Social Security would be one way to do it. Look, Social Security was a great Idea but what happened was that greedy political fucks started abusing the shit out of it and used the money for everything and then some instead of just using it for what it was intended for to begin with. We need to take Medical Insurance out of the hands of Corporate leaders and Union Leaders and Politicians of all stripes and set it up as a Fundamental Right that no one can ever fuck with or use as a hammer or negotiating tool for their own personal political gamesmanship. There! That ought to piss off just about everybody except of course, those millions of folks that could use some medical insurance! _________________ "BE STRONG AND OF GOOD COURAGE"
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ross53	Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:14 pm
Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1292 Location: california	Lt, Obama pitches reforms to doctors AMA reaction mixed on health care plans http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/16/1n16health002237-obama-pitches-reforms-doctors/?uniontrib Your opinion on this article please. _________________ " I always wondered why somebody doesn't do something about that. Then I realized I was somebody" Lilly Tomlin.
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loonietunes	Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:12 pm
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 1210	Ross, I set forth what I believe should happen and how it perhaps could be funded. Universal Health Care needs to become an established Right period! That said, any constructive ideas that get us closer to perfection is a step in the right direction and Obama certainly has got some very good ideas and is on the right track but obviously we have a ways to go before its at a "Uthopian" vision of what it really should be. Universal Health Care needs to become an established "Right" in the USA and be guaranteed to everyone from their Birth until their natural death with no exceptions to that rule and regardless of a person's lifestyle,age,illness, political affiliation, union membership, employment status etc. We need to hammer this vision to our business leaders, Labor leaders and political leaders. Once Universal Health care becomes a "Right" that will be one less huge hammer that some random political fuck can hold over an individual. I think you'll have much more political freedom once Health Care is an established Right.IMHO _________________ "BE STRONG AND OF GOOD COURAGE" Last edited by loonietunes on Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:21 pm; edited 1 time in total
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wm pasz	Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:20 pm
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1180 Location: Toronto	This issue more than any other reveals Obama's unwillingness to piss off the privileged group in American society and particularly the medical and insurance industries. Nothing short of universal health care is going to resolve the ever-worsening crisis in access to health care in the US. As long as the "industry" is allowed to keep chugging along it will find new and innovative ways of screwing people, picking their pockets and leaving them without access to health care. Programs that differentiate coverage or premiums based on people's purported "lifestyles" are just one of those innovative tricks. There's no way to definitively identify if a person smokes, drinks or engages in other unsafe practices (which probably number in the thousands if you were to sit down and try to make a list). Obesity and high cholesterol are not lifestyle choices but conditions which, in many instances, have genetic causes (I know someone who is a fitness fanatic yet suffers from high cholesterol which runs in his family). On top of all of this is the disturbing notion of private businesses snooping into your personal business and making judgments that are highly subjective and based, in many instances, on incomplete, outdated or just plain old incorrect information. The comment about the increased likelihood of the spread of disease as more and more people are left with untreated contagious conditions is a very good one. Yes, this can and probably will happen as homelessness, poor nutrition and other symptoms of societal devolution take hold in the land of opportunity. _________________ Time is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. Truth is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. You don't need anything else. - Malcolm X
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Laboryes	Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:57 pm
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1679	loonietunes wrote: No strings attatched. No qualifiers. No desired behavior that must be followed in order to qualify. Fuck Burd and everyone that looks like him. Let me say this one again...Fuck you Steve Burd and anyone that looks or smells like you. Gawd Damn LT! Now that's speaking from your heart!!! Fuck I love when people have this kind of passion about an issue! It's just to bad other's within the UFCW, including the members, don't share your passion LT that you have for issues that better peoples lives! I don't think a better case could be made about health care reform LT then you just made here! One closing statement LT...you say "fuck you Steve Burd" we also need to a a big "fuck you" to Jacques Loveall and Joe Hansen because their both connected at the hip with Burd(Turd) on this program which means someone's getting rich(er) and it's not the working people at Safeway! So here it is....FUCK YOU! Jacques Loveall & Joe Hansen for trying to sell this bogus program of Burd's to the hard working people that pay for the UFCW! And ya know what? Fuck you too Burd! Damn LT that felt good! _________________ "When people refuse to obey, then democracy comes alive." Howard Zinn
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John A. Joslin	Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:43 pm
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 71 Location: Detroit, Michigan U.S.A. IBEW #58	loonietunes wrote: Ly, This is why I would insist on a comprehensive Universal Medical Insurance program that covers and allows for medical procedures for everyone from Birth to their natural death period! No strings attatched. No qualifiers. No desired behavior that must be followed in order to qualify. Absolutely . That's why when everyone these days is throwing around the words "Universal Coverage " ... we need to stay alert to what someone means when they say that ! ( loonietunes, I know what you mean ... ) Take the state of Massachusetts , for example . ( I'm from there , originally ) They call their mandated health insurance program "Universal Coverage". It is a disaster. Basically they are allowing the insurance industry to offer a gazillion different inadequate health insurance policies from triple -gold plated to outright fraudulently horrible, and at the same time each person is REQUIRED under law to purchase one of the policies. Easy to see what they mean by "Universal Coverage" ! . They actually fine you if you don't buy one of the policies. The deal is they get to claim that " everybody is covered". But what they don't tell you is that many , if not most of the health insurance policies are way sub-standard... they don't cover shit, to tell the truth about it. Just trying to offer one of many examples of where the fine sounding phrase " Universal Coverage " is dishonestly used to fool people . Sure... You are "covered" in their terms because the politicians can say you have an insurance policy, but the God's honest truth of it is you better not get sick and have to depend on the crummy policy that you bought because that's all you could afford. And they will come after you for more money ( a monetary ine for violating the universal coverage law !! ) if they catch you for not having purchased a policy from insurance industry sharks. Time for me shut up. ( at last ) When someone says " Universal Coverage " to me , I don't smile unless they mean " Single-Payer " universal coverage. - J.Joslin ( Detroit ) ***** for further info on Single Payer .( See: Michael Moore's film , ' SICKO " or check out any of a few dozen** countries other than the United States for the smart way to get the insurance industry out of Health Care , once and for all. )
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ross53	Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:45 pm
Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1292 Location: california	Lt, Another interesting article about health care reform; How to Get Health Care Reform Pretend you are Obama By David Brooks 2:00 a.m. June 18, 2009 http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/18/lz1e18brooks212216-pretend-you-are-obama/?opinion&zIndex=118537 _________________ " I always wondered why somebody doesn't do something about that. Then I realized I was somebody" Lilly Tomlin.
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