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Laboryes
Post Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:45 pm

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I've been working on a "Grade Your Union Rep" flyer and I need peoples ideas of what would be good questions for members to drill their union reps with.

The goal will be to awaken members on the lack of representation from ufcw reps while at the same time maybe educating members of their rights as a union member.(That's if they have any left?)

We will ask members that receive the flyer to come here to uncharted and give us their union reps grade. Good or bad we will see which ufcw locals are doing their gob and which are just troughing off the members.

My hopes with this flyer is that it will get members asking important questions while at the same time putting pressure on some of these over payed, do nothing reps!

That "I don't know" statement from that local ate rep just pissed me off and lit a fire under my ass to do something about it!

Anyone wanting to help out please post your questions or ideas that you would like to see on this flyer.

Let's try and make this flyer member friendly so it can be used both in the US & Canada ufcw locals.

Below are a few cartoons I've picked to use on the flyer. My theme "Scholar or Dunce?"







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Pearson
Post Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:23 pm

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It's a great idea LY; i just don't know how you get people to participate. Keep plugging away brother, maybe someday.

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SharynS
Post Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:39 pm

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What would be fair expectations of a union rep? For instance I'd prefer an "I don't know, I'll get back to you" as opposed to an educated guess. I would expect a rep to be familiar enough with the cba (and eager enough) to assist a member to interpret it favourably and then able (and eager) to direct an issue through the process (to whatever end).

The labour process (now) seems to provide otherwise but I don't believe reps have a right, nor are adequately skilled, to prejudge the merits of an issue nor should they concern themselves with whether or not they agree. But that is what happens far too often - a member and an issue is shut down without so much as a whimper. I think that if a person feels aggrieved then they are and isn't that the basis in advancing human rights?

What may seem a cut and dry outcome should be the impetus to push the envelope IMO. Of course the standard argument against that is a lack of resources. Not a very good one and easily overcome by engaging and empowering membership no?

What was the question again LY. Smile

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Laboryes
Post Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:36 pm

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Pearson wrote:
It's a great idea LY; i just don't know how you get people to participate. Keep plugging away brother, maybe someday.


Don't feel alone Bill as far as getting people to participate I have not a clue either. I've tryed over & over but have failed miserably!

Funny this subject comes up again, I was speaking with an old member of local 588 the other day,long out of the business and we were discussing the shape of the pension fund. I told him about all the reform efforts within the ufcw and about the websites etc...

He was as frustraited as I about peoples absence to fight for their own well being! I guess some might say this guy is kind of the conspiracy thinker type he thinks it's a good possibility that our goverment might be putting drugs in our water to keep people numbed out and passive! Wild, crazy thoughts? Maybe!
But one has to question peoples lack of motovation when it comes to protecting their and their childrens futures.

Who knows maybe we've all had to much for to long and took it all for granted and now we will have to lose it all to realize that things like democracy, freedom and a middle class way of life is worth fighting for?

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GRUMPY
Post Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:30 pm

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Hey LY, YOU HAVE NEVER FAILED. You have done everything but shove the info. down members throats. Hell, you have even had to put your foot in my ass before.

All I can say is, do what you have to do to keep your own sanity. There are some good people out there.

When shit hits the fan, you really see who your friends really are.

We have talked about this stuff until we are blue in the face. It is sick to think that some day, the companies will probably kick the shit out of the members and they will come crying to the ones that tried to get them off their ass's long ago, and you/me or who ever, tells them to F'OFF ! O.K.m maybe that is a little harsh. Hows about I told you so.

Hang in there bro.
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Laboryes
Post Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:44 pm

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[/quote]You have done everything but shove the info. down members throats. Hell, you have even had to put your foot in my ass before. [quote]

Damn Grumpy that's one thing I haven't thought of! Maybe I should give it a try?



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wm pasz
Post Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:41 pm

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Rather than asking questions of the rep, wouldn't it make more sense to include questions that members can ask themselves about their reps?


How often do you see your rep?
Assuming a 5 point scale:
5= more than once a month
4 = once a month
3 = once in a while
2 = once a year
1 = I have a rep?

When your rep visits your workplace does s/he:
5= stop by and say hello to you and other members
4= let you know s/he's there and available to talk to you
3= talk only to the steward
2= talk only to the managers
1= sneak in, sneak out - there hasn't been a rep sighting in years

When you call your rep with a problem or question, does s/he:
5=get back to you within 24 hours with a good answer
4=gets back to you within 24 hours with a promise to look into your concern, calls back within 2 days with a good answer
3=gets back to you within a couple of weeks, answer is sometimes good, sometimes half-assed
2=follow-up phones calls needed, usually doesn't know the answer, doesn't call back
1=that jerk has a phone?

Prior to contract negotiations, does your rep:
5=hold bargaining input sessions open to all members, take careful note of your issues and priorities and convey these to the bargaining team
4=ask members what they want to see in their new contract and promise to convey this to the bargaining team
3=hold an "information meeting", take note of your concerns and say s/he doesn't think there's much of a chance you'll get anything
2=go on vacation
1=What? Contract negotiations? There's goes my pension plan!

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The Third Element
Post Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:10 pm

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Just no time, but I want to go with this, whatever the outcome.

I thought it would be fun to own "Rate My Union" and so I tried to buy it and well.. I now own www.ratemyunion.com

Does anyone have any idea what software one would use to run such a thing? I know a lot now about forums but that's not what I think this should be.

I would value input from anyone that wants to get involved.

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GRUMPY
Post Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:35 am

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LY, you've come to far to go out like that.

I like the cartoon, remindes me of something I did one time. Wink
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Laboryes
Post Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:29 am

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Rather than asking questions of the rep, wouldn't it make more sense to include questions that members can ask themselves about their reps?


Wanda thank you for the ideas! This is exactly the kind of suggestions I'm looking for.

I have a few people on private email who have suggested similar ideas as yours. This gives me good ideas on which way I should go with this flyer.

3E nice job on buying up the ratemyunion.com! What ever you do with the site it has to be member friendly where members are able to voice their opinions about there union reps. I love this idea! Rating/Grading your rep/union for the world to see!!! Mr. Green

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The Third Element
Post Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:37 pm

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Laboryes wrote:
What ever you do with the site it has to be member friendly where members are able to voice their opinions about there union reps. I love this idea! Rating/Grading your rep/union for the world to see!!! Mr. Green


I had envisioned something *strictly* member powered. Not sure how to do it and the software is my present challenge. I want to be able to have each union, local etc, perhaps in Canada and USA sections. Not too much "chatty" blog stuff, just enough to prove allegations or offer praise. There's enough Forums and chat blogs out there to not need another.

If there are any website specialist types who could recommend something prepackaged. I will spend some money but not lots.

Anything... anything...

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SharynS
Post Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:37 pm

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3E you may want and have better luck if you create a new thread and pose the questions at uncharted's feedback and Support forum. Different people hang out there. Wink

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The Third Element
Post Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:46 am

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"Different" people?!?? Would all the people who constitute "Same" on this site please raise their hands...

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Laboryes
Post Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:24 pm

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Here's a draft of the "Grade Your Rep flyer http://groceryworkers.org/grade-your-rep-2.pdf/download

I tryed to use everyones ideas and keep it to one page, if it's more than a page long the truth is most members won't bother reading it.

Let me know what you think.

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Pearson
Post Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:12 pm

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This is way cool Ly. Congrats on a job well done.

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