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SharynS
Post Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:36 am

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by atuuschaaw

The importance of community and the knowledge it produces is absolutely one of the most important vehicles for the common people as the world we once were anchored in begins to disintegrate. As information becomes more and more valued in this dawning new age, we must adapt new strategies and form supportive communities. Two defining principles of community are the whanaungatanga (our relationships within the communal family), and the turangawaewae (our home base or place to make a stand).

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SharynS
Post Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:03 am

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Aquiring knowledge is a process of education, which can be driven by a formal curriculum, or my favorite, driven only by interaction and dialogue.
Formal curriculum always frightened me, and/or repulsed me - I just couldn't make sense with it. I internalized my inability to "get along" or "get on board". There are days when I'm glad I didn't and others when it sounds like it would have been way easier.

It does take longer to grow up and out but, I think the results are less harmful to the rest of the human race and the earth in general. Smile
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With the emmergence of the internet, the people's thirst for the truth has become a primary objective. We have been misled and misinformed for so long by so few, that we now at times even question ourselves and our idea of what truth really is, or at least I do.
Make that two - after years on the net it's still like being in an orchard. Tree after tree of delectable fruit, ripe for the picking.

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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:08 pm

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I have to say I am impressed by the Maori idea of cooperative learning which is based on sharing and cooperation rather than individual acquisition or competition. Sharing knowledge and power is what we must do to survive the transition from a dying age into the new uncharted age, IMHO. How amazing is it that we actually have the ability to shape and mold the next age thanks to the internet and the creation of communities? Awesome stuff!! I just hope we are up to the challenge!

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wm pasz
Post Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:44 pm

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There was considerable opposition to the implementation of the public education system in North America in its early days from people who believed that while accessible education was important, the kind of system that was being imposed was intended to crank out millions of obedient slaves for the corporatist machine.

Wonder why we're so brainwashed? It starts early in life.

The more we can promote alternative forms of education - ones that actually make us knowledgable - the better.

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That's It!
Post Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:29 pm

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"Communities are similar to batteries; the more contributors a community has, the more electricity and power the community has. So creating the ideal environment that allows people to feel safe to voice their ideas and opinions is absolutely necessary..."

Just a thought....It is also important to note that batteries require both a positive and negative charge to work. So often, people focus on the positive side of life with the belief thinking otherwise would be detrimental. I found, in order to gain a good understanding of reality, one has to also include the negative sides. Both sides are equally important. The ideal environment would include our ability to embrace all ways of looking at an issue....even a troll is valuable.
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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:50 pm

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It is also important to note that batteries require both a positive and negative charge to work.

I agree. We have Mulligan to keep the battery charged! Mr. Green

Thanks for the sparks M!

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Pearson
Post Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:59 pm

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Just a thought....It is also important to note that batteries require both a positive and negative charge to work. So often, people focus on the positive side of life with the belief thinking otherwise would be detrimental. I found, in order to gain a good understanding of reality, one has to also include the negative sides. Both sides are equally important. The ideal environment would include our ability to embrace all ways of looking at an issue....even a troll is valuable.

Remarkable sync here TI. Just this morning i attended a legislative breakfast in Sun City AZ and had a chance to ask a question of a republican senator.

Last month we had the biggest turnout in the history of these breakfasts. Seems there was an issue that polarized and energized people like never before. The senate got so many emails they had to turn their system off. The meeting was four times its normal size and emotions were running high.

It prompted me to ask: "as a politician would you rather see a room filled with people and interested or a handfull of gadflies and the usual suspects in attendance?" His answer was politically typical, said both were fine.

I was really hoping he would be salivating over the fact people cared and got involved; i just didn't hear or see it in his answer. I am absolutely convinced nothing will change in this country or world until we start making them (leaders) change. We need to hold them accountable and make them pay if they fail us.

Knowledge and the internet is and will be one of the primary sources for this rebirth. In past discussions we used to argue over how to bring the various groups together, but the one solution i liked the best was Kevin Lapalme's concept of a commons...a gathering place akin to what they had in the old days. What made that so intriguing was the idea we were adopting an old school concept using todays technology.

Building the community will mean letting people in, irrespective of their views. The challenge in moving forward is at some point being able to accept the wishes of the majority; and that is assuming we can get the majority involved and speaking out. That's why i would always rather have a full house with emotions running high than a small cast of characters all nodding yes in agreement.

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Mulligan
Post Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:58 pm

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I agree. We have Mulligan to keep the battery charged!

Glad to be of service. It works both ways.
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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:03 am

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Building the community will mean letting people in, irrespective of their views. The challenge in moving forward is at some point being able to accept the wishes of the majority; and that is assuming we can get the majority involved and speaking out. That's why i would always rather have a full house with emotions running high than a small cast of characters all nodding yes in agreement.


I flinch at the old "majority rules" form because it actually doesn't represent democracy at all. In this form, there is always a minority who don't have a voice in the process. Somehow we must get past the old conservative/liberal, right/left mindset and find/establish a new form of collaboration which will allow large groups to reach a consensus. I'm as guilty as the next person in letting the passion of my opinions and beliefs get in the way of constructive communication. But I am trying to do better! Razz

I agree that an emotionally charged enviroment has a much greater chance of accomplishing change than the existing segregated groups which are prevalent in our society. Like I said earlier, I just hope we are up to the challenge! We must be up to the challenge if we are to make a difference and find an alternative to the dead-end policies we now are offered.

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SharynS
Post Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:16 pm

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I don't think we'll have the choice to be up to the challenge or not. That small minority, and those larger minorities too, aren't as minor as we like to make out. I don't for one minute believe the majority in your country or mine rule anything AT.

It's the majority that don't have a voice IMO and the sticky glue that held that myth together is beginning to crumble. So I'm all for majority rules.

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Pearson
Post Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:45 pm

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I flinch at the old "majority rules" form because it actually doesn't represent democracy at all. In this form, there is always a minority who don't have a voice in the process. Somehow we must get past the old conservative/liberal, right/left mindset and find/establish a new form of collaboration which will allow large groups to reach a consensus.

This is a never ending debate and one i have wrestled over. All too often the minority can control in that they are more often outspoken and simply run over the majority. The importance of growing the circle and getting folks involved cannot be overstated.

What made the fight over senate bill 1208 in Sun City so impressive was the huge numbers of folks who took part. Absolutely astounding to see the groundswell and then the fear in politicians eyes when the masses spoke out...and i mean on both sides. It is how it should work.

What made this battle so important to me was it had nothing to do with liberals or conservatives. It was about ideologies and and practical applications. We have been a self-governance community for 45 years and the less-government republicans were trying to change that. Funny thing was there were dems and repubublicans arguing on either side of the issue; there was no common denominator other than people cared about the outcome.

The whole question of politics and unions has come up again on the Workinglife website and i posted several comments regarding unions getting out of politics completetly. The money we piss away in supporting do-nothing politicians is frightening. I still believe we could build a true worker movement if we simply presented a viable issues driven agenda that attracted workers to it. Of course the pigs feeding off the biz union trough would have to change and therein lies the problem.

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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:15 pm

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It's the majority that don't have a voice IMO and the sticky glue that held that myth together is beginning to crumble. So I'm all for majority rules.

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This is a never ending debate and one i have wrestled over. All too often the minority can control in that they are more often outspoken and simply run over the majority. The importance of growing the circle and getting folks involved cannot be overstated.


Actually, IMO it's a small minority who have convinced or coerced the majority into supporting them. Once the votes are counted it's still majority rules and it still leaves yet another minority out in the cold with absolutely no recourse.

I was speaking more about the new communities springing forth from the destruction. I was speaking more of something new outside our current so-called "democratic" system. I just don't believe "majority rules" is democratic whatsoever! Just my opinion of course. But I've been under the boots of the "majority rules" almost all my life and I'm just sick and tired of it! There is no equality in it and there has to be a better way!! Cooperative consensus seems much more democratic in my eyes, but it's not as simple and requires much more involvment. That's why I wonder if we are up to the challenge!

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