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SharynS
Post Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:14 pm

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With what shall they fix it JB? The past few decades saw ufcw leaders trade away chunk after chunk of the farm until there's nothing left to trade. All in trade for what ufcw's employer partners convinced and promised would be ufcw leader's very own square on the checkered board of corporate greed.

The endless ufcw bullshit rhetoric and obvious stall definitely says ufcw is (again) caught between the rock and the hard place. Do you tell the members the employer has come for the baby or try to forestall the inevitable while you figure a safe way out of town. No baby and no square, whatcha' gonna' do.

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John Briley
Post Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:05 pm

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I wanted to follow up on the following recent excerpt taken directly from UFCW Local 5's website:

Quote:
The negotiations page is in the process of being updated to include a section that lists all the proposals exchanged between the parties to date, check back soon for this new addition.
http://ufcw5.org/



Here it is Friday, January 20, 2012 and I have yet to find any portion of Local 5's website that has been updated to include any and or all proposals that have been exchanged between the parties?

http://ufcw5.org/Negotiations.html

Have I missed them?????

However, what did catch my eye, was a portion from Local 5's recent Negotiation Update #13, pertaining to "Proposals".
http://ufcw5.org/PDF%20Files/ENegotiationsUpdate13PDF.pdf

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Dedicated Negotiations E-Mail Address for Proposals

Have an idea for inclusion in the next grocery agreement. The Union has set up a dedicated email address for members to submit proposals to the union negotiating committee. You can submit your idea by emailing it to negotiations@ufcw5.org. Submissions
should be concise and make a clear reference to the part of the contract you're interested in like wages or benefits etc. Make sure to include contact information in case the committee needs to follow up with you.



Once again, here is some more Local 5 Bull Shit!!!!!

We are now over three (3) months into these Negotiations and we all have read numerous updates from Local 5 & Local 8 that all three (3) Employer's want to eliminate Retiree Medical Benefits for current and future Retirees, including Proposing "massive takeaways" for our Active Members!
http://yourbreadandbutter.com/news/industry-discussions

For Local 5 to suggest and or give false hope to their members that the Employer's would even consider and or accept any new proposals from the Unions is simply a pipe dream and total Bull Shit !!!!!

The parties can not even come to agreement on the proposals that they have been working on over the past 3 months and now Local 5 wants to start submitting new proposals to the Employer's.

Come on Local 5, quit Bull Shitting us all !!!!!

Immediately post all of the proposals that have been exchanged between the Union & the Employer's as you have already promised!!!!!
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Bill Sable
Post Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:07 pm

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JB, while I salute Local 5 for even considering the solicitation of proposals from its members it is well past the date when this should have occurred.
As you know, the first time you and I met was at a proposals session at Local 839 a couple of months before the beginning of negotiations.

Ron, I've got a proposal for you: employers mandatory provision of security guards 24/7 in stores; stores that close at various hours need guards (multiple guards) only when they are open to the public.

Currently my store, open 24 hours has one (1) eight-hour guard shift, morning through afternoon. The looting that goes on through the night is not my concern - and Safeway has expressly instructed us that it is not our concern nor are we to deal at all with theft. My concern is the safty of the crews who, in the case of my store, continue to be confronted with the addicted, psychotic, etc.

Ron, I believe you have a copy of the report I submitted to Local 648 a few years back; nothing has changed. To the contrary between the economics of our time and the wholesale refusal of the company to provide a safe working environment for its employees at all time, the situation has deteriorated.


Back to live action, members of Local 648 received a few weeks ago a nice slick 8-page production signed by our President: UFCW Solidarity 2011/Northern and Central California Food Negotiations/Issue No. 3

First, it delineates all the take-aways proposed by the employers. Ugly stuff, needless to say.

But what gets my goat is the emphasis that "Every member must join the fight..." "Fight, fight, fight! Volunteer in the Fresh & Easy campaign...ask you union reps about actions in your area."
"Every union member must help!" "YOU are needed to volunteer and expand these lines and to defend YOUR wages, benefits and workplace protection."

Now, after months of negotiation, it is apparently the members' responsibility if things go south?

Seriously? Blame the victim? Not this time...the responsibility is directly on the "leadership" of the various locals. Period.

Where was all this "fight, fight, fight" that past six years? Why have we hired the unemployed rather than mobilize our own members?
Why has RALEYS been allowed to continue to operate non-union as well as union shops? Where's your market share hanging here?

You guys want to fight. I'm there...with or without an IV pole...but save the bullshit for the garden.

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John Briley
Post Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:31 pm

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JB, while I salute Local 5 for even considering the solicitation of proposals from its members it is well past the date when this should have occurred.


Bill....., yes,.... it is well past the date when this should have occurred!!!!!

Specifically, Local 5's Negotiation Update #6, dated October 19, 2011 stated:

http://ufcw5.org/PDF%20Files/ENegotiationsUpdate6.pdf

Quote:


Unions Submit Comprehensive List of Proposals: Employers Excuse themselves From the Table

On October 17 UFCW Locals 5, 8, and 648 met with Raleys, Safeway & Save Mart and submitted a comprehensive list of proposals for the framework of a new contract. The Employer's answered by submitting a minimal number of health and welfare suggestions and then announced they had to cancel the October 18 negotiating session. They claimed they did not have language prepared to address the union's proposals.



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Back to live action, members of Local 648 received a few weeks ago a nice slick 8-page production signed by our President: UFCW Solidarity 2011/Northern and Central California Food Negotiations/Issue No. 3



Bill..... I couldn't help to notice the similarities between the nice slick 8-page production you referenced that was signed by your President @ UFCW Local 648.

http://www.ufcw648.org/newsletters/UFCWSolidarity648toPrint.pdf

And........

The nice slick 8-page production that was signed by UFCW Local 8's President, Jacques Loveall.

http://www.ufcw8.org/Docs/UFCW-Solidarity-12-15-11.pdf
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John Briley
Post Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:31 am

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UFCW Local 8's Negotiation Update:

January 19, 2012
http://yourbreadandbutter.com/news/industry-discussions


Quote:
Negotiations Update, Jan 19.

Talks are continuing at a very slow pace. We continue to process the enormous amount of information required to meet the unique challenges we are facing.

In the meantime, the contract with Raley’s has been extended to February 29th. The Bel Air contract has been extended to April 29th and as we reported last month, the contract with Safeway and Save Mart-owned stores will expire on Feb. 24th.

Current wages, benefits, work rules and accruals will remain in effect throughout the extension

Thank you for standing strong with your Union and together we will prove, once again, that “Solidarity Works”!



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Talks are continuing at a very slow pace.


No Shit..... Local 8?????

How many "brain warriors" did it take from Local 8 to determine that one?????

Quote:
We continue to process the enormous amount of information required to meet the unique challenges we are facing.



What in the "F" does that mean Local 8?????

For the record, we now have another Local Union that is full of Bull Shit!!!!!
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John Briley
Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:17 am

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The negotiations page is in the process of being updated to include a section that lists all the proposals exchanged between the parties to date, check back soon for this new addition.



Well it appears that UFCW Local 5 has finally posted "some" of the proposals exchanged between the parties...

http://ufcw5.org/Negotiations.html

Quote:
Proposals Exchanged Between UFCW Locals 5, 8 and 648 in Northern California Grocery Negotiations

Union Proposals to the Companies:

Union proposals to Safeway 10-17-11
http://ufcw5.org/safeway-proposals000.PDF

Union Proposals to Save Mart 10-17-11
http://ufcw5.org/savemart-luckys-proposals.PDF

Company Proposals to the Unions:

Safeway Proposals to the Unions 12-5-11
http://ufcw5.org/safeway-initial-proposals.PDF

Save Mart non-economic proposals 10-25-11
http://ufcw5.org/PDF%20Files/non-economic-proposal-1.PDF

Save Mart non-economic proposals 11-11-11
http://ufcw5.org/non-economic-proposal-2.PDF

Save Mart economic proposals 11-29-11
http://ufcw5.org/economic-proposal-3.PDF

Raleys Proposals Coming Soon:?????


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John Briley
Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:16 pm

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Now that Local 5 has finally started the process of posting some of the Proposals exchanged between the parties during these Food Negotiations, I wanted to follow up once again, with a portion of my Tuesday, November 22, 2011 e-mail I sent to Ron Lind and John Nunes.

Specifically;

Quote:
Additionally, please provide me with any and all proposals from the Union and or the Employer that the parties have already agreed to.



Kudo's to Local 5 for posting the proposal's, however, after three (3) months of Negotiations, what I am really looking for is what "if" any, Proposals have been agreed to between the Union and the Employer's?????

That is when we start getting down to the "nuts & bolts" of these Negotiations.

Additionally, after doing a quick review of the Proposals, I ran across the following that caught my eye.....

Quote:


Safeway / 12/5/11 (page 4 of 5)

#55. Article 12.4: change to provide to authorize & direct the Trustees, effective April 1, 2012, to 1.

Move all current & newly eligible Retirees to the Trust Funds existing Retiree Self-Pay Program. 2.....


I am trying to find out what exactly they are referencing with respect to the existing Retiree Self-Pay Program?????

and......

Quote:


Safeway / 12/5/11 (page 4 of 5)

#56. Article 18: Revise language of this Section to read the same as the Local 8 Grocery Contract.


Quite frankly, anytime any Employer proposes to adopt any Contract language from Local 8 I get very suspicious!!!!!

Now I have to check to determine why would this Employer want Local 8's contract Language?????
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Bill Sable
Post Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:31 pm

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Sidebar:

For the current period of negotiations, as we have been reminded, we continue to operate under all the provisions of the former contract. To quote:

Quote:
Your current wages, benefits, work rules and accruals will stay the same as long as these extensions are in effect.


Great...so what is the status of the HRQ provision?

Under the contract within which we are working and as detailed in the Summary Plan, should a member who selects the PPO option fill out and submit the annual questionaire, that member gets a credit into their Health Reimbursement Account.

Two things:
(1) the Trust postponed the required annual selection of options [PPO, Kaiser, HMO] pending the negotiation of a new contract;
(2) haven't heard word one about the annual HRQ which typically has a deadline for the end of January. If we are, in fact, operating under the conditions, terms, etc. of the current/expired contract, where is the questionaire to fill out? Where is the credit into one's HRA?

And are there any other "...wages, benefits, work rules and accruals" that have dropped by the wayside?
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John Briley
Post Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:26 am

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It appears that Local 5 is reaching out to all their Retirees with this recent post on Local 5's Website:

http://ufcw5.org/

Quote:
UFCW 5 Retirees: Get Active

Retiree health benefits are at risk like never before. The employers are demanding give backs by the very people who built their businesses. The union is fighting to protect the benefits of our senior members. To succeed, the assistance of every retiree will be required. Please click on the link below to take a survey and show your support.

Retiree Survey Click Here:

http://www.ufcwonline.com/survey


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John Briley
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:42 pm

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I guess since UFCW Local 5 President Ron Lind and UFCW Local 8 President Jacques Loveall, are currently enjoying the sunshine down at the Hyatt Regency Coconut Point, Bonita Springs Florida.

http://coconutpoint.hyatt.com/hyatt/hotels/index.jsp?src=agn_smg_hr_ppc_google_ss_propertyspecific_naprn_hyattregencycoconutpoint&k_clickid=2fdfd18e-cb81-f568-420e-00005e1d5534

Since Lind and Loveall are both I.U. V.P.'s, I can only assume that not much will get accomplished at No. Ca. Food Negotiations until such time as the both of them return from their annual I.U. Executive Board Meetings!!!

For the record, I just called 1-239-444-1234 and asked for President Lind and President Loveall and they were both checked in!!!

Great Life!!!!!
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John Briley
Post Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:46 am

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Additionally, for those of us who were in attendance @ the last Local 5 Town Hall Meeting on Monday, December 5, 2011, President Lind stated that HE would be sending out a letter to all of Local 5 Retirees by the end of the year, updating all Retirees as to how serious these negotiations are and the Employer's current Proposal on the table to ELIMINATE Retiree Health Benefits for current and future Retirees!



Our long awaited Local 5 Retiree letter, as promised by President Ron Lind from our last Local 5 Town Hall Meeting, finally arrived via U.S. mail on Tuesday, January 31, 2012.

Not totally what I expected in the way of a detailed explanation from Pres. Lind, Local 5 sent to their 15,000 Retirees two (2) 8 1/2 x 5 1/2 (back-to-back) postcards. I've attached for your review the postcards as they appeared.

http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/20123101_local5_retiree_mailer.pdf

However, Kudo's to our President Ron Lind, for making the effort. I am curious as to what "if" anything President Jacques Loveall (Local Eight) and or Michael Sharpe (Local 648) are doing with respect to informing their Retirees of what is going on???????

Now let us wait and see what "if" anything Local 5 will provide in the way of the necessary Leadership / Militancy, including taking immediate / necessary action against these Food Employer's vicious and unwarranted attacks directed at the Retirees!!!!!
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Laboryes
Post Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:13 am

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John Briley wrote:
I am curious as to what "if" anything President Jacques Loveall (Local Eight) and or Michael Sharpe (Local 648) are doing with respect to informing their Retirees of what is going on???????




You slay me JB!

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John Briley
Post Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:18 pm

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Quote:
Raleys Proposals Coming Soon:?????
Taken directly from UFCW LOCAL 5'S Website:
http://ufcw5.org/Negotiations.html
Quote:
Union Proposal To Raleys 1/17/11: (?)

http://ufcw5.org/RALEYS-PROPOSALS.PDF
We continue to wait for Raleys proposals to the Unions to be posted on Local 5's website?????
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John Briley
Post Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:42 pm

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Quote:
http://ufcw5.org/

Grocery Negotiations Resume
February 2 & 3

Grocery negotiations are scheduled to restart Thursday February 2 and Friday February 3. Talks with Safeway, Save Mart and Raleys will convene with Locals 5, 8 and 648 Thursday morning.

Subjects under consideration for these two days of meetings will be grievance process issues and meat department matters. Rank and file members from all three chains will be participating in the talks. Proposals for language ideas have been received in large numbers (you can send yours to negotiations@ucfw5.org) and are being prepared to be presented. Also, retirees are in the process of sending in surveys (see below) via US mail and email to join the fight to preserve the contract.

Check back here, on our social media applications and on the hotline for updates.
Quote:
http://ufcw5.org/

Union Town Hall Meeting
February 2, 7PM

Make sure to attend or watch the latest union town hall meeting. The negotiations update will be held at the South San Francisco office on Thursday February 2 at 7PM. The meeting will be available on the internet so if you can't attend, check in at www.ufcw5.org to watch and participate.

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Bill Sable
Post Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:36 am

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Lo and behold, it is conceivable that my post last week on this thread of UNCHARTED may have had some visible effect.

You be the judge.

Last week I mentioned that grocery members who had opted for PPO status under the UFCW Trust medical coverage apeared to be losing the additional monies credited to them when they filled out the annual HRQ questionaire.
My question was as to the validity of this, given that all stipulations under the current/extended grocery contract remain legally in effect.

This afternoon it was my distinct pleasure to receive a call (well, a "robo-call" but a call nevertheless) from Local 648 President Mike Sharpe informing me (us) that a postcard is in the mail re the HRQ and that, once filled out, the stipulated HRQ monies would be credited to our HRA accounts.

Bravo. It is not a ton of money but every bit helps.

Again, you make the call: did my post on this subject have anything to do with this? If so, my thanks to UNCHARTED for making it possible.
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