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SharynS
Post Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 6:20 pm

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...never again will Americans be duped by fine print or hidden fees...(organizing for America email)
Wall street reform!

It does look good on paper.

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Rose Knows
Post Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:30 pm

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This is nothing more than a case of closeing the barn door after the horse has escaped.
After the depession of the 30's the Glass-Stigel act was brought in to prevent the banking system from engageing in the reckless acts that are common today.
Now fast foward to the 90's after Ragen set the groundwork with de-regulation and trickel down econimics in the 80's. Clinton along with half of Obama's present cabinet removed the Glass-Stigel act.
This would be funny if it was not so sad.

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SharynS
Post Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:37 pm

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What's the answer RN, how do or should we recover?

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Rose Knows
Post Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 4:39 am

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Take your typical employer such as National Grocers. They supply there retail outlets such as Loblaws for example, with real things called groceries.
In a hyperinflationary enviroment they can not loose with real things because they will go up in value with inflation.
All they have to do is at the right time foward order to the max and they will have a huge inflationary win because they bought real things with worthless paper as well as paying there employees with worthless paper.
As an individual you will be forced to also play this game the currupt bankers created by stockpiling real things as well. At some point you will not be able to spend your worthless paper money fast enough while it still has purchacing power.
This process has happened many times around the world.
Fortunately we have the internet to educate ourselves by way of using methods that have worked in other parts of the world when faced with hyperinflation. The first thing that comes to mind is to get into precious metels. The real thing not paper substitutes.
Do not trust anything that is paper. As far as working with your employer try to work something out that adjust for the real rate of inflation readjusted over short periods of time.
Hopefully these stepes can keep you ahead of this dangerous development.

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SharynS
Post Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 2:30 pm

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Good points. And it's not rocket science that debt is the working person's worst enemy. I would have thought a good part of union education would be geared towards living debt free. Instead labour organizations (leadership) promote debt and banker like schemes.

So my guess is no, obviously "local 1000A executive" (along with the entire clump of other labour officials) do not "have the intelect and skills to protect the membership".

Again not rocket science, given the proliferation of union sponsored debt schemes, either a majority of labour leaders are basically brain dead and/or they're in a racket for themselves, you decide.

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Lex87
Post Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 4:46 pm

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Good points. And it's not rocket science that debt is the working person's worst enemy. I would have thought a good part of union education would be geared towards living debt free. Instead labour organizations (leadership) promote debt and banker like schemes.


Yikes I wasn't aware of the union credit cards, but it only make sense that they promote debt. An employee who is completely self sufficient is a scary thing. Better to have them hungry for cash all the time.

It would be interesting to catch them in any binding manner where the implication is that the union is looking out for the best interests of the membership as it relates to debit/financial counselling. I have a resourceful Toronto lawyer friend that loves these sorts of topics but currently there's no meat at all to chew on.

Some organizations are almost worse than being disorganized..

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Rose Knows
Post Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 2:46 am

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I also know of some good lawyers in the toronto area.
And with these lawyers they are not in it for the money. They are in it for social justice and open honest and democratic union reform. With full acountabilty to the membership. They have all done pro bono work to advance these princapls.
Bob Kellerman who defended Abby Hoffman the famed Vietnam war activist.
Peter Rosenthal and Jeffery House.
These three lawyers have done numerous pro bono work for the Ontario Coalition against poverty.
Joe Kinkel and Mike klug who both done pro bono work for Steve Guiliano and John Clark in there quest to bring UFCW local 1000A by-laws in line with the UFCW International Constitution in a effort to create a more accountable 1000A leadership and to reform election procedures.
There is still a lot of work to be done.
Like minded members would do well to seek the advice of these lawyers

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doug slaydon
Post Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:07 pm

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According to Rose Knows there are some attorneys in Canada with spines. The closest I got here in the USofA were a couple National Labor Relation Board attorneys, notably Margaret Dietz, who did a fine job compiling my case and appealing my arbitration until Joseph Norelli the Regional Director squashed the effort. The politics were not clearly apparent as I would think a Republican packed NLRB would have been less favorable to the UFCW cause, but this time Safeway and UFCW were the same team.

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