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| Mulligan |
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 10:24 pm
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Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 358 Location: Ground Zero |
Quote: Venezuela Weighs Selling U.S. Jets to Iran
May 16 12:53 PM US/Eastern Email this story CARACAS, Venezuela Venezuela is considering selling its fleet of U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets to another country, perhaps Iran, in response to a U.S. ban on arms sales to President Hugo Chavez's government, a military official said Tuesday. http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/16/D8HL07900.html I’m looking for a down side in this story but I can’t find one. Chavez sells cheap oil to poor Europeans, then sells US jets to Iran make up the difference in the oil price. Iran tries to use the jets against the US in the Middle East. The US [or Israel] then shoots down the jets thereby creating a demand for more jets. There must be some economic irony involved here but I’m not sure what it is. Then: Quote: Chavez has previously warned he could share the U.S. jets with Cuba if Washington does not supply parts for the planes. This guy’s got some serious machismo going on; chutzpah even. |
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| SharynS |
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 10:41 pm
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2940 Location: the 'puter |
Why would any country, including the US of A, want to keep jets, or anything for that matter, if parts are not available? This isn't about the sale of friggin' jets, it's about US control running into another roadblock - Chavez and near the rest of the world.
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| Mulligan |
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 10:56 pm
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Quote: …if parts are not available? Well OK, but parts are available. Chavez is, in effect, trying to blackmail the US into supplying parts for the very jets that he wants to use against us. That’s why I’m saying, oi –this guy needs to up his dosage. |
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| SharynS |
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:03 pm
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2940 Location: the 'puter |
Really - I suppose the ban on arms sales announced by washington was merely an unrelated co-incidence. 
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| atuuschaaw |
Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:24 am
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 781 Location: an ahwangan |
I can still remember my days in the military when there were as many Iranian pilots on our bases as there were U.S. pilots. We didn't have to salute them but we had to give them the respect deserving of military officers. They were trained with our planes and our current technology; they were housed in the officer's quarters; and afterward we sent them home with a brand new certificate of American training and a new fleet of F4s.
Now who were we talking about....Chavez? _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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| wm pasz |
Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 1:04 pm
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1219 Location: Toronto |
As much as I admire some things about Chavez (his relentless criticism of the corporatist-imperialist agenda being the most prominent), I don't think that he is helping the cause of "the people" by fanning the flames of conflict.
The Iranian and American administrations are two theocracies beating war drums that could result in a yet another pointless slaughter of humans. Offering to supply one side or the other with weapons (for whatever reason) belies an agenda that isn't exactly about the interests of "the people" at all. Chavez is showing a side of himself that is troubling. As much as I enjoy his anti-imperialist rhethoric and frequent flamings of Bush and his buddies, I also perceive a dictatorial, manipulative orientation in Chavez that is not at all unlike that of the guys he's criticizing. _________________ Time is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. Truth is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. You don't need anything else. - Malcolm X |
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| atuuschaaw |
Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 1:24 pm
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Chavez is claiming the parts have been ordered and paid for. Maybe they should at least refund Venezuela's money. 
Quote: Venezuela Weighs Selling U.S. Jets to Iran
The defense minister also said the United States has violated a contract by refusing to sell Venezuela replacement parts for its jets, even after Venezuela paid for those parts. "I've honestly grown tired of asking for replacement parts for the F-16s," Maniglia said at a news conference. "I've got my list. We've paid. We have money deposited in the United States." He claimed that Washington has kept U.S., Israeli and South Korean firms from shipping parts. _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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| weiser |
Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 2:36 pm
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Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 190 Location: Chilliwack |
The US never shares or sells current technology. Chavez has jets with old technology (I'll bet that can be remotely screwed by the US in an air battle). Iran already has jets, so what's the big deal?
That being said, the US creates most of its problems by meddling on behalf of business interestes in other peoples' affairs. |
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| SharynS |
Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 9:14 pm
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2940 Location: the 'puter |
Oh for sure wm, these old rulers know no other way except thru war and control. But in the mean time there's some empowerment going on and that's very difficult to take back in one sitting.
Perhaps there's an international alliance to disrupt the american dream once and for all. I'm torn between sweet and holy shit! _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| atuuschaaw |
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:01 am
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Quote: That being said, the US creates most of its problems by meddling on behalf of business interestes in other peoples' affairs. The defense contractors such as Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, and Lockheed Martin are the heart and soul behind worldwide weapons sales. And they do it with the blessing of the U.S. government agencies, which are impossible to tell apart from the defense corporations upon which they bestow their blessings. If you're interested in a very advanced database of arms sales, you will be very happy to visit Arms Sales Monitoring Project. _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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