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Inside Lurker
Post Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:16 pm

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In 2008 the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that only 12.4 percent of American workers belonged to a Union.

It’s not difficult to see why the percentages of unionized workers in the U.S. is so low when you come across countless, shameless stories like these

It’s like that old saying goes... “You catch more flies with honey than you do shit” Your best organizing tool is your collect bargaining agreement, that is if you have a CBA that attracts working people. As we are all well aware of these days the UFCW seems to be serving up more shit than they are honey!

With the UFCW’s declining membership and evaporating pension funds one would think the UFCW would be working overtime trying to bring more “honey” into their CBA’s? It would appear though that lately not all UFCW leaders are thinking that way, at least not some of the leaders in Northern California’s biggest locals

As we see here UFCW’s Local 8 President Jacques Loveall appears to be more interested in becoming the next Sir Edmund Hilary then he does in working vigorously to bring better working conditions, wages and secure pensions to the working people who fund his elaborate adventures

Interestingly enough while other leaders of a sizeable Northern California UFCW local make attempts to educate members(some not all) about their failing pension fund reports coming from many of the members of UFCW Local 8 say they haven’t gotten “one peep” of information from the officers at Local 8. It appears while Loveall’s members rush off to the nearest food bank to feed their families that Loveall’s personal challenges to “ascend to new heights” seem to out weigh his concerns for his drowning membership!

Don’t get us wrong Jacques, striving to be a great mountaineer is an exciting goal, but if that’s your life long dream you and your family may want to think about stepping aside and giving Local 8 back to the rightful owners, the working people and “dues paying” members of UFCW Local 8.

Remember Jacques, “the higher a monkey climbs, the more its ass shows”!
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Laboryes
Post Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:45 am

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Notice the names on the donation list form Jacques's little vacation? Besides the many Local 8 staffers do any of these names sound familiar?

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Ron Lind, Christine Galves, Rob and Meryle Galloway, Leslie Bouchard, Scott Taylor, John Elliott, Chris Wallace, Linda Wyman, Gilbert Luna, Martin Lugo, Terri Kiehlmeier, Fatima and Carlos Valenzuela, Paul Supat, Jay Trumbull, Steve Bodine, Steve Trujillo, Sheryl Percell, Rick Salton, Fred Pepper, John Heise, Bea Medinas, Art Cobian, Mike Fursman, Loel Yerion, Patti Brown, Raymond Kristoff, Tom Pate, Paul Lowney, Mike Perrin, Cori Higley, Evelyn Orley, Ken Farrar, Larry Plumb, Clark Koertner, Carol Evans, Roger Adair, Patti Chiara and Ameriprise Advisor Services.

Bill Twitchell, F.A.I.R., RWDSU, and UFCW Local 400.

Cindy Sarmento, Thomas Hynes, Michele Kessler, Tera Clizbe, Claudia Ontiveros, Kevin Williamson, Starr Shiffler, Margie Fossi, Lori Allen, Rick Glazer, Nicole Allen, Mike Botica, Dave Wilson, Sandy Samoville, Liz Rivinius, Jessica Golling, Kimberly Carlton, Shelly Ramont, John Johantgen, Joe Ciotti, Sandy Mitchell, Tim Plank, Karen Eisenhofer, Jared Karakas, Mary Simonson, Wendy King, John and Lezlie Micheletti.

Ed West, Darin Ferguson, Al Vincent, John Mason, Linda Brown, Chuck and Diane Gephardt and Rick Crane.

Lee and Laurie Schneider and Teamsters Joint Council 7. Jay Butterfield and Bruce Both, President of UFCW Local 1500. Norma Evans and John Tursky.


I noticed our bud Rick Crane was throwing money at Loveall's little excursion as well as other old 1036 employees. I'm sure these bigger local presidents are donating their own personal money right? (wink-wink-nod-nod) Wink

As one old UFCW staffer put it to me...

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The sad thing is that "in my opinion" Loveall doesn't do anything without reason(s) / $$$$$$$$$$$$$$! Think about it, something has to be in it for Loveall(s) to climb a mountain in the f...inggggggggg snow.


I'm sure you used your own money and personal vaction time for this adventure right Jacques?

Sure would hate to think you took this trip on the members dime!!! Mr. Green

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SharynS
Post Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:56 pm

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Insincere bastards! Notice that nowhere does it say how much was raised nor is there any info on how much a trip to Tanzania and up the mount costs. That times three would have made a nice addition to the cause.

The trek could have made a nice last wish for (3)someone with a terminal illness as well. So many better (and honest) ways to climb the philanthropist mountain.

Jacques and his minions do epitomize big labour, no argument there.

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loonietunes
Post Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:18 pm

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Loveall’s personal challenges to “ascend to new heights” seem to out weigh his concerns for his drowning membership! striving to be a great mountaineer is an exciting goal, but if that’s your life long dream you and your family may want to think about stepping aside and giving Local 8 back to the rightful owners, the working people and “dues paying” members of UFCW Local 8.


I think we all may be missing the crucial point here.

In his own mind, I am sure that Young Loveall believes that reaching this physical height in some far off land will somehow help "His" people like Moses going to the high mountain to receive the original stone tablets in order to help "His" people.

And who knows, Loveall may have received a vision himself or some sort of Deity could have even communicated with him in a dream or through his wife or through his close associates .

So while from the outside and to us in the general public this looks like some rather bizzarre, self centered,delusional,wasteful,self serving, hypocrtical and perhaps even criminal behavior, to him and his merry band of followers it may just be a by-product from some Divine Inspiration or the psychological effects from the daily Kool-Aid that they are drinking.

After all, the human mind is a very complicated instrument.

Remember, that we once had a UFCW Local Union President who actually believed he was the one true Santa Claus.

So anything is really possible both within the UFCW or any other place in this Universe where the human mind exists.

In 100 years or less none of us blogging today or anyone climbing mountains today or anyone stealing pension monies today, or denying medical coverage to someone today or foreclosing on someone's home today will be around anyway so why get twisted.

As I get older, I find myself looking at the big picture and looking at some of these insane human events as just more meaningless moments in time that won't mean crap a few years from now let alone a few centuries from now.

The gated communities and those that dwell in them will all turn to dust just like the rest of us....

That is not a threat of any kind but simply a biological fact of life!

In the end, all that will have really mattered is what each of us has done with the time that was given to us.

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Inside Lurker
Post Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:55 am

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When I posted the “monkey climbs” piece the other day for me it was no more than a way to blow off a little steam for my disgust and anger at an organization of people who have such little regard for the working people(dues paying members) who put bread and butter on their tables everyday, the Mercedes in their garages, the gated communities they live in, and the elaborate vacations they take etc...

It angers me when our pension fund is in such dire straights and Northern California locals will be heading into negotiations in about a year from now looking at possible CBA’s with a “3rd tier” and more devastating language for Pensions and Trust Funds while certain labor leaders(I use that term loosely) find it more important to live out “personal challenges” then to prepare and take care of the people who put food on his table everyday.

I had no idea this piece would circulate so quickly. I was forwarded an e-mail today that was written to President of Local 5, Ron Lind by John Briley. John makes some very important points to President Lind in his e-mail that people should make note of. BTW President Lind kudos to you for making the attempt to educate the members of Local 5 about their pension fund, but shame on you for only inviting the senior members.

What was so surprising to me about Briley’s e-mail is not so much the content but to all the people it was sent to! A quick list of who received Briley’s e-mail.

The entire Executive Board at the UFCW International.

A good portion of the Local 5 staff.

Joe Sweeney from the Segal company.

President of Local 480 in Hawaii.

There’s more but this about covers it. Below is John Briley’s e-mail to Ron Lind and others.

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Hello Ron ------ I wanted to take this opportunity to once again thank you for taking the time from your busy schedule to meet with our Retirees Club here in Salinas on Wednesday, January 6, 2010.

Based on your presentation concerning the current status of our Food Pension Plan and the recent Pension Informational Meetings conducted throughout Local 5's jurisdiction, I thought you might be interested in the following threads recently posted @ uncharted.ca as they pertain to the very serious problems facing UFCW Pension Plans.

1. THE HIGHER THE MONKEY CLIMBS, THE MORE ITS ASS SHOWS:
http://forums.uncharted.ca/viewtopic.php?t=1583

2. MULTIPLE UFCW PENSION PLANS IN CRITICAL STATUS:
http://forums.uncharted.ca/viewtopic.php?t=1582

Additionally, I wanted to once again commend you on an excellent decision on appointing David Blitzstein, from the UFCW I.U., as a Local 5 Trustee on our Food Pension Plan. David's knowledge of the numerous issues surrounding the entire Pension Plan problems and his integrity, will be a tremendous asset to all the Food Pension Plan Participants (actives and retirees) here in Northern Californian.

For those of us who were involved with Food Negotiations in 2001, clearly remember the tremendous assistance we received from the UFCW I.U. / David Blitzstein and Marc Perrone concerning serious issues pertaining to our Food Pension Plan.

We all witnessed "first hand" the abuse they both received from the Leadership @ UFCW Local 588 / 8 for their courageous and righteous positions they were both taking @ that time.

In hindsight, I wonder "if" the Leadership @ UFCW Local 588 / 8 have any regrets as to their "colossal blunder" in negotiating a contract which provided Pension Holidays to the various Food Employer's. I guess it goes without saying that WE sure could use those Pension Contributions now!!

By the way, it appears that the UFCW in Canada are also having some serous issues as it pertains to their Pension Trust Funds. Here are links to various threads @ uncharted.ca pertaining to this subject matter:

1. CCWIPP TRUSTEES "TOTALLY FAILED" JUDGE RULES:
http://www.uncharted.ca/content/view/289/24/

2. CCWIPP TRUSTEES' BAHAMAS RESORT DEAL IN THE TOILET:
http://www.uncharted.ca/content/view/288/24/

Once again Ron, thank you.

John Briley

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John Briley
Post Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:13 pm

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Inside Lurker wrote:
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It angers me when our pension fund is in such dire straights and Northern California locals will be heading into negotiations in about a year from now looking at possible CBA’s with a “3rd tier” and more devastating language for Pensions and Trust Funds while certain labor leaders(I use that term loosely) find it more important to live out “personal challenges” then to prepare and take care of the people who put food on his table everyday.


Thank You IL for a great thread! BTW.... your ability to obtain information continues to amaze me.......

Unfortunately, here in Northern California, it "appears" that the severity of our Pension Plan problems does not rate a top priority from the Leadership @ UFCW Local's #8, #101 & #648!!!!!!!!!

Taken directly from the following document:
http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/200911_norcal_pension_pp.pdf

I believe a portion of this document illustrates my point:

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Turning your attention to the power point presentation document , please turn to page 13. As you can clearly see there is a Pension Protection Act (PPA) Required Time line (Based on January 1, 2010) that appears to be driving the train with our Union Leadership in No. Cal.

To that extent, the mere fact that thousands of UFCW Members throughout No. Cal., who are currently Food Pension Plan Participants, are not being informed of the serious changes that may be taking place within their Food Pension Plan is unacceptable!

Other than a handful of UFCW members who "may" have attended Local 5's Pension Informational Meetings, there are a hell of a lot more UFCW members who have a stake in the Food Pension Plan / Rule of 85 that deserve some answers and continue to be left in the dark.

Once again, turn your attention to page page 13 in the document:

The Notice requirement to participants is critical because it sets the date for which early retirement subsidies COULD be reduced in any Rehabilitation Plan. Retroactivity to this date IS NOT required.

At the top of page 14 in the document it states:

Examples of Early Retirement subsidies
* Disability Benefits
* Rule of 85
* Subsidized Joint and Survivor Factors

One thing is for certain, with all of the discussion taking place with what may or may not be taking place with our Food Pension Plan, anyone contemplating retirement in the near future had better do a lot of investigating as to what exactly you will be entitled to as a UFCW Retiree in No. Cal.

Especially, having a clear understanding what you will be entitled to as a Retiree concerning Retiree Health & Welfare. As everyone should be fully aware of is the unresolved issue of "redesigning" the Health and Welfare Plan (Medical) for Retirees resulting from our contract settlements back in 2007.



Once again, I believe that it is imperative that all of the members within UFCW Local's #5,#8,#101 & #648 who are participants in the Food Pension Plan, contact their Local Union Leadership immediately and demand some accountablility, information / answers as to what steps they are going to take to preserve and protect our Food Pension Plan, including preserving the "Golden 85" / "Rule of 85"!!!!!!!!!!!

By way of another example, and to illustrate this point, let us refer back to the "slick" PR pieces that were used to sell the last Contract Settlement to the Members within the four (4) UFCW Local's in Northern California back in 2007.

http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/2007_ufcw_solidairty.jpg

http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/2007_cba_hghlights.pdf

When I was researching this issue, ("Golden 85" /"Rule of 85") I was astounded to find in the PR "highlights" piece the following reference:

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MAINTAINS "GOLDEN 85" FOR ELIGIBLE MEMBERS


In my view, what contiues to amaze me is this. If the "Golden 85" / "Rule of 85" was used as a "enticement" to the members to accept the contract back in 2007, then why in the "hell" are our Leaders entertaining notions to "possibly" eliminate the "Golden 85" / "Rule of 85" during this contract term????????

Quite frankly and based on their representation / promises in their PR piece, everyone of our Leaders here in Northern California should be demonstrating their resolve and militancy by doing everything within their power to protect and preserve our Food Pension Plan including preserving the "Golden 85" / "Rule of 85"!!!

Unfortunately, so far, it appears that only President Ron Lind @ UFCW Local 5 has stepped forward. More action must be done immediately from all the Leadership within UFCW Local's #5,#8, #101 & #648!

Keep in mind that this contract term is from October 6, 2007 - October 8, 2011.
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unionnow
Post Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:02 pm

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We all witnessed "first hand" the abuse they both received from the Leadership @ UFCW Local 588 / 8 for their courageous and righteous positions they were both taking @ that time.

In hindsight, I wonder "if" the Leadership @ UFCW Local 588 / 8 have any regrets as to their "colossal blunder" in negotiating a contract which provided Pension Holidays to the various Food Employer's. I guess it goes without saying that WE sure could use those Pension Contributions now!!


Is this saying that the leadership of UFCW Local 8 (then is was UFCW Local 588) voted with the companies pension trustees to suspend contributions and then voted again in 2001 to continue suspending contributions even thought the fund was dropping fast.


All of this was done against the wishes of the UFCW International and the Bay Locals?

Not even the UFCW International can stop them?

Whom is pulling who's strings. Who benefited and what came of that benefit?

In 1997 when the deal was done to suspend contributions after that weird contract settlement (the contract was opened early). Safeway stock rocketed to $61 a share after splitting twice. It was at a low of $12 a share before the pension deal

In 1998 Safeway shares traded for $61....

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The firm paid $4.3 billion [in 1986] but put down only $130 million itself and reaped more than $5 billion in realized and paper profits. KKR's remaining one-third stake in the company was valued at more than $3.5 billion in early 1997 and more than $7.4 billion by 2001.


http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2005/06/13/8262550/index.htm

Now going back to the 2001 deal to continue suspension:

KKR's remaining one-third stake in the company was valued at more than $3.5 billion in early 1997 and more than $7.4 billion by 2001

http://www.answers.com/topic/kohlberg-kravis-roberts-co

They doubled their stake in 2001 even after selling a huge block of their stake (one third I believe) and continued to sell shares down the line and continued to control the company and forced Safeway to buy assets that they owned.

KKR also foisted on Safeway some other UFCW grocery chains that they owned as well that were losers. Bruno's was to be one of them but they went Bankrupt before the deal could be done.


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...KKR pulled off its $4.3 billion buyout of Safeway in 1986 by putting up only $132 million of equity, a mere 3.1% of the purchase price. KKR, which has traditionally and sometimes controversially gone in for long holding periods, then clung to a stake in Safeway for no less than 17 years, eventually realizing $7.4 billion in profits-the firm's biggest dollar triumph by far. Deals like that just don't come around much anymore.


http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2005/06/13/8262550/index.htm

The press states in some places that KKR sold out in 2000 but the fact is they sold out in blocks of stock in 2001 and 2003.


1986 another interesting year, another nexus. That's about the time the Old Man of 588 started coming into his own. Of course, KKR was looking at Safeway in the Early '80's.

I have always postulated that the old mans W-2 was grabbed by KKR. He was in a perfect position to help them leverage their bets.

A sweet deal with a little help from a friend?

Interesting how the years coincide, 1982, 1986, 1998, 2001.

The actions of these people are well planned. They are considered the best most street smart corporate raiders in the business. Certainly the large pile of money in our pension did not go unnoticed.

Did a plan develop to unlock its value? Did they cultivate a relationship with the leader UFCW local 588 family?

Why is is said that Jacques is going to go into investment banking if he loses his union job? Imagine that? Jacques an invesment banker.....

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Laboryes
Post Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:31 pm

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Ok gang I found this http://www.loveallfoundation.org/k/KiliBrochure.pdf

Which you may notice gives us a convenient email address! Anyone in for a few comments to Loveall about his little vacation??? Twisted Evil

kilimanjarochallenge@loveallfoundation.org

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Laboryes
Post Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:28 am

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I got a little chuckle from... this
article


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Jacques Loveall, a UFCW top official in Northern California, spoke from the floor after the film to inform Moore that his grandmother had helped organize the same GM sparkplug factory in Flint, Michigan, that the filmmaker's father worked in for 33 years. The information was met by rousing cheers from an audience inspired by footage of the sit-down strikes in the ‘30s that birthed the UAW—and their return to the U.S. labor movement in Chicago last December. They were left unaware of the private plane that Loveall's local owns, however, or the $263,385 salary that sustained him last year.


Just wondering....have the Loveall's bought "another plane"? Or was it just bullshit they "sold" the last jet? Something to look into anyway.

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John Briley
Post Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:31 pm

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unionnow wrote:
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A sweet deal with a little help from a friend?

Interesting how the years coincide, 1982, 1986, 1998, 2001.

The actions of these people are well planned. They are considered the best most street smart corporate raiders in the business. Certainly the large pile of money in our pension did not go unnoticed.

Did a plan develop to unlock its value? Did they cultivate a relationship with the leader UFCW local 588 family?


Outstanding overview unionnow.......... in "connecting the dots" as it applies to the Collective Bargaining Process over the years here in Northern California.

Clearly for those of us over the years who have had to deal with this "shit", i.e. the "alleged collusion" between the Leadership @ UFCW Local 588/8 - our UFCW I.U. and the "some" Employer's, many of us have also shared your same sentiments:

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Not even the UFCW International can stop them?


By way of just one of many examples, let us turn to the strike in 1995 here in Northern California and the subsequent early Contract re-opener in 1997 by the Leadership @ UFCW Local 588/8.

It is important to note that the members throughout No. Ca. literally "kicked the shit out of the Employer's" over the seven plus days during that strike. (April 6th,7th,8th,9th,10th,11th,12th,13th,& 14th,1995)

It was during that strike / negotiations that the Leadership @ UFCW Local 588/8 once again made another "collosal blunder" by rolling over the contract.

Call it a coincidence,"alleged collusion" or "whatever", but one of the most devasting impacts for the UFCW resulting from the early Contract re-opener in 1997, was the contract Language the Leadership @ UFCW Local 588 /8 perpetrated / negotiated @ that time with the Food Employer's.

Specifically, I am referring to item #12(B.) in a portion of the following Memorandum of Agreement between former UFCW Local 588, Safeway, Inc. & Lucky Stores, Inc. dated July 24, 1997. (Page 7)

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Amend Section 17.1 as follows:

During the life of the Agreement, the Union agrees not to engage in any stoppage of work. Furthermore, the Union and its representatives, including store representatives, agree not to boycott, handbill, publicly disparage or engage in any adverse economic action against the Employer's stores covered by this Agreement. This provision does not apply in any of the Employer's stores where the Union has not been recognized by the Employer as the employees' bargaiing representative.


To this day I am absolutely baffled as to WHY the Leadership @ Local 558 and our UFCW I.U. saw fit to "mess with" and or "allow" the following long standing and effective Contract Language found @ Section 17. (Strike or Lockout) to be changed by the Leadership @ UFCW Local 588......

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Section 17. Strike or Lockout

17.1 During the life of the Agreement, the Union agrees not to engage in any strike or stoppage of work.

17.2 During the life of this Agreement, the Employer agrees not to engage in any lockout.

17.3 Refusal of any employee covered by the terms of this Agreement to pass through any lawful primary picket line which has been sanctioned by the Central Labor Council of proper jurisdiction and /or the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union shall not constitute a violation of this Agreement.



Subsequently, in a letter to former UFCW I.U. President Douglas Dority dated August 12, 1997, the Leadership of the Bay Area Local Union's (excluding former UFCW Local 373r) along with the recommendation from our Regional Director, Sean Harrigan and Executive Vice-President Dave Barry requested that President Dority "demonstrate his leadership and exercise his authority under Article 23 of the International Constitution by disallowing any Northern California Local Union from ratifying this proposed agreement pending his review".

We were all "extremely concerned about the ramifications that the expanded "No Strike-No Lockout" provision will have upon our ability to effectively address the serious challenges that we face today and will encounter in the future, i.e. Albertson's and Safeway. This provision, if invoked, will virtually cripple our ability to act in concert with other UFCW local unions in addressing this threat to our membership".

For your information here is the applicable I.U. language.

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Article 23(A) of the UFCW I.U. Constitution provides as follows:

The terms of proposed collective bargaining contracts or proposals for renewal or any modifications of existing contracts, whether proposed by the employer of the Local Union, shall be submitted to the International President, upon his or her request, for review prior to any membership action thereon.

Such review shall be for the purposes of determining whether the aforementioned terms conform to the applicable established policies, practices, and objectives of the International Union relating to wages, hours, and other working conditions, either on the locality involved or nationally, and enabling the International Union to discharge its obligations in the event such proposed terms are found to be injurious to the best interests of the membership of other Local Unions or the International Union.

If the International President exercises his or her authority under this paragraph, terms of proposed collective bargaining contracts or proposals for renewal or any modifications of existing contracts shall not be submitted to the membership for its action pending completion of review or following any disapproval by the International President.

Any membership action on the aforementioned terms of proposals pending completion of review or following any disapproval by the International President shall void and without effect.


I will provide you with the " rest of the story" @ a later date.
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