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wm pasz
Post Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:31 pm

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Again, interesting comments, but I'm not sure that I concur with some of them.

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You're never going to get rid of hierarchies. It's part of the human psyche.


You're going to have to show me some pretty solid research on that one before I buy it. I don't think hierarchy is part of the human psyche at all. We're accustomed to it because we've been conditioned to accept it but that's all. Hierarchy is an organizational construct. it's not an innate part of human psychology. It's a belief that serves the existing order - just like way back when people believed that racism was OK, and that it was only human to believe that blacks were inferior to whites.

I believe that hierarchy is antithetical to the human psyche because it accepts that some humans are inferior to others - not as intelligent, not as capable, not to be trusted and a raft other other inferiorities.

There have been and continue to exist groups (even societies) that operate without hierarchical structures. The interesting thing about these is that they tend to be more peaceful and productive and more respectful of others.

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What bothers me is the lack of accountability to accompany the hierarchies.

Every level of hierarchy has to have accountability mechanisms in place, in order to counterbalance adverse behaviours.

This is what was lacking at my workplace, from at least 2002 onward.

Not one person, in any level of authority, took any responsibility for any problems that arose in the painting department.

By mid 2005 it was a horrendous free-for-all. Everybody was doing what they wanted, and certain types who shouldn't have had control had total control.

I didn't have a clue as to what was going on, and I was becoming so depressed and stressed out that I just didn't want to be there anymore.

What changed to produce such havoc?


This is exactly what happens in hierarchies. There is no real accountability (although there's a lot of talk about it). The way that power operates in hierarchies and the way it affects people, causes a lot of things to happen that seem like the opposite of the order and accountability that the hierarchy is supposed to maintain.

The BS that we are fed about hierarchies is that since everyone has a boss, everyone will be kept honest and do the right things because, if they don't, the boss will step in and "hold them accountable".

But in a hierarchy there is a very strong incentive to get power and hold on to it because if you don't, others will grab it from you. Being accountable is antithetical to that. It means you may have to admit that you were wrong or be open to censure from the boss for doing something wrong. Nobody wants that. You'll look bad, maybe get demoted or even fired. You'll be deprived of some or all of your power. So what tends to happen is that people dodge accountability. They defend their actions, even cover up or lie about what they've done. The name of the game is to make yourself look good and protect yourself from being called to account. They ignore difficult problems (like workplace bullying or harassment) because acknowledging that this is going on will make them look bad (like they can't control what their staff are doing) and give their rivals ammunition to shove them out of the way ("it looks like Joe's people are out of control - he can't be a very good manager.")

Have you ever wondered why every time a subordinate goes over the boss's head to complain about the boss's bad behaviour, more often than not nothing happens? (Or, in a non-union workplace, the subordinate gets fired for being a troublemaker?) There are two reasons for this: 1. In a hierarchy, the boss is always right. That's an integral part of the hierarchical order. A system that demands subordination can't tolerate insubordination. If we let people leapfrog over their bosses, that's insubordination (even if they have every good reason for doing it). We can't allow insubordination. If we do, everyone will start doing it and the whole hierarchical system will collapse.
2. Any boss who takes the word of someone two levels down over that of a direct report is acknowledging that he or she is a poor manager (they either hired the wrong person or haven't been successful in managing that person). Admitting you are less than perfect is a career limiting move in a hierarchy - so it's just not done.

As people become more and more focused on getting and hanging on to power, their behaviour become more aggressive and...in a hierarchy the aggressive get ahead.

Once you get a high concentration of these guys in high places (I should mention that women also engage in these behaviours but men seem to be more successful in getting to those high ranking jobs), what you get are old boys clubs - or maybe old bullies clubs - that develop at the senior levels. So where you should have a high degree of accountability, what you actually have are clusters of powerful people who all have a strong vested interest in hanging on to their power and who will cooperate with each other to ensure that they maintain their lofty positions. This means

What you are describing is rife throughout the workplace. It's also something that seems to have reared its ugly head big time in Canadian public sector workplaces in recent years. It think that this has something to do with as phenomenon called "corporatization" of the public sector. Over the past decade the leaders of Canadian public institutions have embraced management practices of the corporate or private sector. These include things like merit pay (which generates huge bonuses for senior managers) strategic planning and performance appraisal. These all sound like nice concepts (and there's nothing wrong with them, in and of themselves) but what's happened is that these new "tools" have enabled the ladder climbers and power-grubbers to more aggressively pursue their own interests within the organization and have made aggressive behaviour more personally profitable and have encouraged people to wield their power more brazenly and recklessly (and to react to those whom they perceive as threats to their power, more viscerally).

Your situation is no different than that of many thousands of other workers. What you've described is going on in many thousands of organizations. It's not going to be solved by mediators or facilitators. These may be successful in putting a bandaid on individual situations (although in a hierarchy, the victim of bullying never really gets satisfaction because he or she is still expected to submit - the best that most do is find ways of coping with their feelings about it).

The real solution will come when we become aware of the dangers that are inherent in hierarchical systems and start looking at alternatives.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:29 am

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Hierarchies -

Discussions about hierarchies continued here)
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:11 am

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What's been going on

I planned on making some major moves, and was preparing for it.

But other things had to be taken care of first.

I've written letters and gotten responses. But none of the responses have been positive.

The Union

The union refuses to represent me, even after I mentioned that the BC Human Rights Tribunal found that the Coquitlam
School District discriminated against me by not bringing me back to work in November 2005.

The School District

The School District wrote a reply to me but mentioned nothing in their letter about the Tribunal's finding of the School District's discrimination against me. They haven't mentioned any interest in putting me back to work at the school district.

Same old walls.

And neither the Union nor the School District showed any interest in even inquiring what new documents I might be talking about.

But I suspect they already know what the documents are.

What kept holding me back from making the major moves.

Two things:

1) The paperwork. Bloody never-ending. I've been doing massive amounts of paperwork for the past couple of weeks, and that's slowed down everything else I planned on doing. The paperwork is always more than you figure. Preparing for court is a lot of work.

2) The new documents I've acquired, which haunt me. The more I think about those documents, the angrier I get.

The new documents

Joerg

There are over 150 documents involved, all concerning the job status of Joerg (pronounced like 'Yurg'), a casual painter who worked at the Coquitlam School District for 16 years. Joerg died suddenly in November 2001.

During the entire time that Joerg worked for the School District, from 1985 thru 2001, he was a casual Painter (Maintenance Painter working on a casual basis).

I've read all those documents over and over, and am shocked by how easy it was for the School District to get rid of the seniority Joerg accumulated in the early years of his employment.

Joerg was actually hired by the Coquitlam School District in 1985 on an 'on-call' casual basis. That's written in the letter from the School District to Joerg.

Subsequent documents, in chronological order, show step by step how the Coquitlam School District cheated Joerg out of several years of seniority, and I believe that CUPE 561 knew all about it.

And because Joerg's seniority was taken from him in those early years he lost out on full-time employment at the School District.

Joerg's family told me that Joerg had changed when he couldn't get on full time, and it had to do with seniority.

Unfair labour practices can ruin a person's life.

A letter from Joerg, to the School District, shows him applying for a full-time painting position in 1987, and in the letter he also mentions that one of his duties was organizing the casual crews. So, Joerg was already in charge of casual crews way back in 1987.

In those days it seems that the Coquitlam School District still had performance reviews of casual employees, and documents show that Joerg's performance reviews were positive.


But the School District wrote back to Joerg, telling him that they chose another painter to become full-time. The letter from the School District didn't mention anything about objecting to what Joerg had written about him organizing casual crews. That knowledge and practice (of casuals organizing casual crews) was accepted way back then already.

Contrary to what people might think casual Painters are, casual Painters at the Coquitlam School District actually work 8 hours days, 5 days a week, for many straight months at a time - sometimes even up to nearly a year in some instances (as in Joerg's case, in at least one year that I know about).

There's so much going on in all those documents, and it burns me up when I think about how a hard-working man like Joerg could be treated so badly, especially since some fellow casual Painters of Joerg's, who were hired around the same time as him, got on full-time so quickly (within 3 years), and Joerg was left to languish for more than a decade after that on the casual list, while watching others with less years at the district, get on full-time. Joerg never let me know his feelings about all that, but I can just imagine.

Mmm, story sounds oddly familiar...

And I know that nothing has changed at the Coquitlam School District. I know that casual Painters there still lose their seniority when they're laid off.

Just like Joerg lost his seniority in his early years, and just like I lost my seniority for the entire 10 years I worked at the School District.

BC Labour Relations Board

One of my major moves is to file with the BC Labour Relations Board.

Since the decision came down from the BC Human Rights Tribunal, and the union refuses to represent me, I feel I can start a case against CUPE 561 at the BC Labour Relations Board.

I thought the practice of casual painters losing their seniority started with me, but I can see from Joerg's documents that the practice of seniority being taken away from casual painters already happened in 1986, the first year he lost his seniority (he lost his seniority all the way to when he started in 1985. How the hell does that happen!). Too bad I didn't know all that before I went to the BC Human Rights Tribunal.

While I was at the BC Human Rights Tribunal I had asked for all kinds of disclosure, and I received most of them. But for some reason, the School District refused to disclose information about Joerg's work history. I needed to prove that Joerg was on the 'on-call' list (I already knew he was, though we called it a 'recall' list), that he worked during some winter months (I already knew he did, but I had to prove it) and I also wanted to see if he was rated up at any time, while running casual crews, before he was red-circled (I suspect that he was, but I have no proof).

Looking at the new documents I know now why the School District refused to disclose information on Joerg, though I got lots of information on D. Y. and J. D. (proving that they were both rated up - something I didn't know before the hearings).

Until I read all these new documents about Joerg I never knew how far back the unfair labour practice of taking away casual Painters seniority went.

As I've said before elsewhere in this forum, there's no provision in the Collective Agreement for treating casual Painters differently than any other casuals at the Coquitlam School District.

There's no loss-of-seniority clause in the Collective Agreement.

All other casual employees at the School District collect year-after-year seniority. Why not the casual painters?

It's not right, and it's discrimination. That unfair practice ruins peoples' lives.

It changed Joerg, like his family said, and it's certainly changed my life.

Will I be taken seriously at the BC Labour Relations Board?

Despite all that I've read about the BC Labour Relations Board on this website, and elsewhere on the web, I have to take a chance that I'll be treated fairly there.

I know the odds of a lone worker winning at the Board are unbelievably remote, but I have to try. I know that Joerg would tell me 'go for it'.

And I feel oddly optimistic that something good will come out of the effort. Just have a feeling.

Any good advice re: my going to the BCLRB will be greatly appreciated, but PM me instead of posting it here.

I'll be filing at the Board either late next week or early the week after. Paperwork, paperwork.

Seniority

Here are a couple of important cases, and quotes, about seniority -

In the Ontario Court of Appeal -

Lakeport Brewing Corp.v. Teamsters Local Union 938, 2005 CanLII 29339 (ON C.A.)
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[56) Finally, although in his decision the arbitrator referred to the importance of seniority, in my respectful view he paid no more than lip service to it. Seniority, of course, is vital to employees, a cornerstone of the collective bargaining relationship. A long-established principle of labour law is that seniority can only be affected or altered by express language in the agreement. Arbitrator Reville put it this way in Re United Electrical Workers, Local 512, and Tung-Sol of Canada Ltd. (1964), 15 L.A.C. 161 at 162:

Seniority is one of the most important and far-reaching benefits which the trade union has been able to secure for its members by virtue of the collective bargaining process. An employee’s seniority under the terms of a collective agreement gives rise to such important rights as relief from lay-off, right to recall to employment, vacations and vacation pay, and pension rights, to name only a few. It follows, therefore, that an employee’s seniority should only be affected by very clear language in the collective agreement concerned and that arbitrators should construe the collective agreement with the utmost strictness wherever it is contended that an employee’s seniority has been forfeited, truncated or abridged under the relevant sections of the collective agreement [emphasis added].

[57] In the light of this principle, Lakeport cannot rely on its general authority in the management rights clause to deprive seniority employees of the rights they have already attained. Express language, not just the general management rights clause, would be required to alter their seniority status. No such language can be found in this collective agreement.
You can read the whole case HERE

In the Supreme Court of Canada -

Health Services and Support - Facilities Subsector Bargaining Assn. v. British Columbia, 2007 SCC 27 (CanLII)
Quote:
“Seniority is one of the most important and far-reaching benefits which the trade union movement has been able to secure for its members by virtue of the collective bargaining process” (Re United Electrical Workers, Local 512, and Tung-Sol of Canada Ltd. (1964), 15 L.A.C. 161, at p. 162; see D. J. M. Brown and D. M. Beatty, Canadian Labour Arbitration (4th ed. (loose-leaf)), vol. 2, para. 6:0000, at p. 6-1).
You can read the whole case HERE
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prototype
Post Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:21 pm

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Who's the President of CUPE 561 looking out for anyway?

As found on Janet Steffenhagen's 'Report Card' on March 12/09 (link HERE)

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Election Spending in Coquitlam

The candidate who raised the most money and spent the most in an unsuccessful bid to win election to the Coquitlam board of education in November was George Caldow.

The former teacher, principal and school district employee received $10,406.26 in contributions and spent slightly less than that on his campaign in Port Coquitlam, but he lost. His resume says he was the district's chief negotiator from 1985 until his retirement in 2000, sitting across the table from support staff and teachers. He also handled grievances, arbitration, staffing and discipline on behalf of the district -- yet his main campaign contributions came from unions. He received $6,000 from the Coquitlam CUPE local 561 and $600 from the Coquitlam Teachers' Association (CTA). He also received an endorsement from the Canadian Labour Congress ..........

.............

(emphasis hers)

Well, the things you find out.

The facts

Mr. Caldow was actually the Director of Personnel and Employee Relations, one of the top Management positions at the Coquitlam School District, as well as the Chief Negotiator.

He was in both those roles all throughout the nineties at the School District, and perhaps before.

You can see Mr. Caldow's name, as the Coquitlam School District's main signatory, on several Letters of Understanding and Memorandums in the Collective Agreements between SD43 and CUPE 561, all throughout the nineties and into the early part of this century - including in the current Collective Agreement.

And Dave Ginter, President of CUPE 561 during those same years, was the CUPE representative who sat across the table from Mr. Caldow for all those years.

The same Letters of Understanding and Memorandums which show Mr. Caldow as the signatory for the School District
also show Dave Ginter as the main signatory for CUPE 561.

Dave Ginter, who is still the President of CUPE 561 (and has been for around 20 years), is the same person who gave the $6,000 donation to Mr. Caldow.

What's going on?

This is CUPE 561 Members dues that Mr. Ginter is playing with.

Did the CUPE 561 bargaining unit Members know that Mr. Ginter was going throw a vast sum of their money to Mr. Caldow, a former top (excluded) Manager at the Coquitlam School District?

The same Mr. Caldow who was not on the employees' side during negotiations?

The same Mr. Caldow who helped negotiate that terrible (my honest belief) Collective Agreement?

Were the Members even given a chance to vote on that donation?

Conflict of Interest

I didn't find out until the Tribunal hearings that Mr. Ginter is still actually employed by the Coquitlam School District, and has been during the entire time that he's also been the full-time President of CUPE 561, although Mr. Ginter hasn't actually worked in any job classification at the School District since he became the Local's President.

Mr. Ginter has also still been collecting year-after-year seniority during all these years as well.

Shouldn't the Union Local's President be totally separate from the Employer?

Shouldn't the Union Local's President's loyalties lie only with the Union Members?

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:25 am

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Mr. Ginter is still actually employed by the Coquitlam School District, and has been during the entire time that he's also been the full-time President of CUPE 561,...
That would be a little more than conflict of interest. I'm no legal beagle but it reads more like fraud.

All hypothetical of course but if that was the case, then one could easily conclude these dudes are and have been holding each others careers up. And somewhere along the line (and every pay period) a (3rd) paycheck would come into play. 3 paychecks two people, interesting scenario.

In a hypothetical situation like that, how does one go about choosing which of the 3 (visible) salaries to divvy up and how is the transfer of the cash made. There'd have to be a good deal of mutual trust to simply sign the extra paycheck and hand off half to the other guy.

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:16 am

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The $6,000 donation

I wouldn't go as far as to shout 'fraud'.

I've never heard anything about any other monetary transactions between the parties spoken about, so I'm certainly not going to speculate on any fraud angle.

But, even though Mr. Caldow did retire from the Coquitlam School District in 2000, the financial donation between the two parties spoken about is just a little too suspicious to ignore.

The whole scenario of a Union President giving a financial donation, and a substantial one at that, to the former Chief Negotiator (and former Director of Personnel, etc.) of the employer just doesn't sit right with me.

Mr. Ginter shouldn't have given Mr. Caldow the donation, and Mr. Caldow shouldn't have accepted it.

To me that donation makes them both look bad, and it now makes their entire 'across the table' relationship (while Mr. Caldow was at SD43) look highly suspect.

And just how 'cozy' has Mr. Ginter been with Managers that came after Mr. Caldow?

The Coquitlam School District took away every shred of a right I ever had at the School District while I worked there, and beyond, and where was Mr. Ginter while all that was happening? He knew what was going on.
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Post Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:24 pm

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Ginter's retaining his status as an employee while holding union office is not unusual. Many collective agreements contain provisions permitting employees elected to union office to take unpaid leave of absence during which they retain their employee status although they are no longer being paid by the employer or doing work for the employer. It's not unusual for seniority to continue during these kinds of leaves and for the employee to have a right to return to their job (or some job) once their term of office ends. Local 561's collective agreement contains this kind of language at Article 6.3(c). There's really no inherent conflict of interest in this as the employee has no obligations to the employer during this period. If you did away with these kinds of provisions it would be difficult to find anyone willing to run for union office as they would almost surely be out of a job once their term ended or they were defeated in an election. (Buzz Hargrove actually had rights to his job at the Chrysler plant in Windsor right up to the time he retired from the CAW - even though he hadn't worked there in decades.)

The $6000 donation might raise some eyebrows but as long as it was approved by the membership as required under the
Constitution and By-laws (see page 22), then there's nothing improper about it. Maybe Caldow had a union-friendly platform? You have to keep in mind that guys who do his kind of work are not necessarily union haters. To a lot of them being the Director of Personnel is just a job. They do what their employer expects of them - if that means taking hard ass positions on certain issues then so be it - but it's not necessarily reflective of their politics. If you're concerned about the propriety of the donation you should check the gmm minutes for that period (if you have access to them or can have a current member check for you) to see if it was approved.

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:45 pm

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True enough,and fraud is probably overboard but a rats nest isn't. LOA's are normally outlined by a Collective Agreement. Ginter's leave and seniority accumulation certainly surpasses any I've ever seen in a cba. Of course there's always mutual agreement. In a legitimate contract, that only works until it impacts other rights. How long does Ginter get to sit on his position before it's up for grabs and the board has to cough up.

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:31 pm

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Well...this is right from the collective agreement.

Quote:
C. Leave of Absence for Union Office
1. An employee who is elected by the Local or selected by the Local to a full or part time position with Local
561 shall be granted leave of absence provided:

a) The leave is requested by the Local in writing.

b) The Local shall request in writing each year a renewal of such leave.

c) Adequate notice of the leave requested is given to permit the Board to arrange a suitable replacement.

d) It is understood the employee may return to his/her former position at any time following
completion of his/her term of office.

e) The employee who replaced the full-time officer shall be advised of d) above when offered the
position and upon the return of the full-time officer the employee being replaced shall be issued
layoff notice.

f) Upon receipt of a request for leave under this Article 6.3 C, the employee shall receive pay and
benefits as provided for in this Agreement. The Union shall reimburse the Board monthly for all
costs.


This is pretty common in the public sector. I'm not trying to be difficult but I think that there are some things that may look sinister that really aren't.

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:38 pm

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At this point everything to do with union looks sinister. That's their cross to bear, I'm certainly not going to feel bad for not trusting any of them as far as I can toss them.

ed= It is common for cba's to have language that covers off time for union business but they normally also have language which effectively limit LOA stacking and durations. It's highly unusual for an employer to quietly hold a position as long as the board has held ginters.

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:13 am

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Holy Rigormortis Batman!

CUPE 561 donated at least $ 32,000 in the last civic elections.

When I went to Dave Ginter, in October 2005, looking for help because I feared I was losing my job, and even when I finally went to the BC Human Rights Tribunal in May 2006, Dave Ginter never even bothered to hire a lawyer until March 2007. He never spent a dime to help me, a member of CUPE 561 for 10 years.

But he has tons of money to help his political friends.

Here's the tally -

CUPE 561 financial contributions - 2008 Local elections

City of Port Coquitlam

Caldow, G. (for school trustee)
Sept. 29, 2008 - $ 6,000.00
Nov. 21, 2008- $ 636.16

Keryluk, J. (for school trustee)
Oct. 31, 2008 - $ 981.75

City of Coquitlam

Alty, G. (for school trustee)
2008 - $ 1,050.00

Amundson, B. (for councillor)
Oct. 20, 2008 - $ 3,000.00

Robinson, B. (for school trustee)
Oct. 31, 2008 - $ 1,050.00

Robinson, S. (for councillor)
Oct. 20, 2008 &
Nov. 25, 2008 - $ 4,000.00

Sowden, D. (for school trustee)
Nov. 3, 2008 - $ 1,050.00

Thorne, J. (for councillor)
Oct. 21, 2008 - $ 3,000.00

Wallis, G. (for school trustee)
Oct. 31, 2008 - $ 1,050.00

Warren, H. (for councillor)
Oct. 17, 2008 - $ 3,000.00
Nov. 21, 2008 - $ 1,000.00

Wilson, M. (for Mayor)
Oct. 17, 2008 - $ 6,250.00

TOTALS - $ 32,067.01

I find it incredibly hard to believe that the members of CUPE 561 all voted to give Dave Ginter carte blanche to spend that kind of amount on just one election.

What the hell will he be spending on the provincial election.

This is CUPE 561 members money. Money that's supposed to be used to help the members.

Attention Dave Ginter:

Spend a couple of dimes helping members when they're losing their jobs.

Then maybe they won't drag you to the BC Human Rights Tribunal, the BC Supreme Court, and the BC Labour Relations Board, etc., just to get justice.

Confirmation on what Dave Ginter donated to the various politicians can be found here -

City of Coquitlam
http://www.coquitlam.ca/City+Hall/City+Government/Election/2008+Candidate+Campaign+Financial+Disclosure+Statements.htm

Port Coquitlam -
http://www.city.port-coquitlam.bc.ca/City_Hall/Elections/2008_Candidate_Campaign_Financial_Disclosure_Statements.htm

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:54 am

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Thanks for the short notice.

CUPE 561 General Elections

CUPE 561 has finally decided to post their current newsletter on their website today, April 1.

They're announcing general elections to be voted on April 4! That's this coming Saturday.

Way to go with the short notice Mr. Ginter.

In the same issue Mr. Ginter announced that Farwest Transportation will be voting on a new collective agreement on March 22, 2009. CUPE 561 is also the bargaining agent for Farwest Transportation.

In this same newsletter it's mentioned that a grievance was put in regarding an employee being suspended for not following a direct order.

I've read of similar grievances in past Shoptalk newsletters as well.

No mention of who was giving the member the direct order but I've found out some interesting things while at the Tribunal hearings, and since then as well.

One of the Human Resource Managers of the School District, D. K., testified at the Tribunal hearings that bargaining unit supervisors can actually discipline and reprimand other bargaining unit members.

That was news to me.

By the time the Manager D. K. testified at the hearings my case against the Union had already been conveniently dismissed by the Tribunal Member. I don't know how Manager D. K. would have testified had CUPE 561 President Dave Ginter still been sitting in the same room. And I don't know how Mr. Ginter would have reacted publicly if he would have heard those things for himself during the hearings.

But

I've also found out since then that a person in a classification such as Caretaker III is considered so powerful that they can actually reprimand fellow custodians, and that if you don't follow their direct orders you are considered to be insubordinate.

Since when!

I've also found out that Mr. Ginter considers that to be OK. He might put a grievance in, for whatever reason, but he won't fight that all the way to arbitration.

I heard this all from a very reliable source.

There are several levels of Caretakers at the school district.

Here are the bargaining unit Caretaker positions listed in the CUPE Class Specifications list, as found on the SD43 website -

Caretaker I, Caretaker II, Caretaker III, Caretaker IV, Caretaker Supervisor I.

In the School District's Position Database Report (which employees are not supposed to know about) there's also a separate Caretaker Leadhand position listed.

These are all bargaining unit positions.

Here are the various supervisory Caretaker positions at the Coquitlam School District -

Caretaker II - supervises up to three caretaker I's
Caretaker III - supervises more than three caretaker I's
Caretaker IV - supervises the caretaking staff
Caretaker Supervisor - supervises caretakers and carpet crew

The Caretaker II and III positions are onsite supervisors and perform duties similar to those of the Caretakers supervised.

Supervising all the Caretakers are the Custodian Managers. There are 2 that I know about.

In the 10 years I worked at the school district I never heard that if you don't do what a bargaining unit supervisor tells you to do that they had the absolute power to reprimand and discipline you. On painting crews when there were problems on the job and the onsite supervisor couldn't deal with it they'd call over the bargaining unit Lead Hand Painter who would come over and trouble-shoot. But the Lead Hands didn't have the power to hire, fire, discipline, or even write nasty letters. That was Management's job.

What's going on.

Casuals at the School District, of which there are nearly 200 listed on the casual seniority list, are basically sitting ducks because they don't know exactly who among their colleagues are eventually allowed to discipline them until it's too late.

I presume that Mr. Ginter, and all his friends, will be easily 're-elected' on April 4.

That means that the bargaining unit Painter Leadhand, who now seems to have all this incredible power of reprimanding and disciplining fellow bargaining unit members, will probably be 're-elected' into the Shop Steward role again for the Maintenance Department, the position he's inhabited since 2002 (the time of which, from 2002 through 2005, he was also a secret Painter Leadhand).

The CUPE 561 Constitution and Bylaws, which I never knew existed until early 2008, has very restrictive rules about who can run for the positions on the CUPE 561 executive board.

That means those rules handily leave out a hell of a lot of bargaining unit members from running for those positions.

Status quo will remain.

Conflict of Interest -

I've done a bit of research about union members in supervisory positions, while in the dual position of Shop
Steward, and found an old article from 1974 on the internet.

Entitled 'Worker unrest at Waterloo', the article was found in 'the chevron', the University of Waterloo's student
newspaper in the 60's and 70's which is now archived on the U. of Waterloo website.

For the purposes of this posting I've replaced the two last names in this article with initials in brackets.

Quote:
Worker unrest at Waterloo

Joe (S.) left his work with the university janitorial department one day before he was to be accepted as a fulltime member of the staff. He brought accusations against the union and the work conditions. In the following interview (Joe S.) explains his reasoning and his actions.

Chevron:

Why did you leave your position in the janitorial staff of the gym of this university?

(Joe S.):

I didn't think I could stand by any longer and watch what was being done to my fellow workers in the shop, and I was a person who could do something about it. All my fellow workers were very dependent upon their jobs, I needed mine less than they. The situation needed to be brought to the attention of the union here, and the other workers in the university

..............

Chevron :

Couldn't your complaints have been taken through the usual channels, your shop-steward to the union and settled, perhaps, in that way rather than you having to leave?

(Joe S.):

In a normal situation that would have been the case, but there are some peculiarities to this case. In my shop the shop-steward turned out to be the lead-hand as well. The lead-hand gets twentyfive cents an hour more than the other workers, tells the other workers what to do, and when to do it - he is well on his way to becoming management, a foreman.

I have never heard of such a thing happening, where the lead-hand who is to all intents -and purposes, management, is also your union representative. Of course, that is handy for management because then the workers have little hope for representation or any way to complain about anything.

Also, I was still within the university’s probation period - a time when the worker has little or no rights. I was not told about anything - and did not find out about the shop-steward until I had been working there for a couple of months. No one showed me the contract between CUPE (Canadian Union of Public Employees) and the university until I had been there a long time. It seems to be university policy and union negligence keeping the workers in the dark about as much as possible.

Also, a problem in this particular case was that a large number of my complaints were directed towards Mike (B.) the lead-hand and shop-steward, So I obviously could not bring the complaint through him to the higher union officials.

.............

You can read the whole article here -

http://imprint.uwaterloo.ca/pdfarchive/1974-75_v15,n05_Chevron.pdf

Hard to believe things haven't changed much since 1974!

It's not right

A bargaining unit supervisor, who has the power to reprimand and discipline fellow bargaining unit members, should not serve in the dual capacity of supervisor and Shop Steward.

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Deleted. This was identical to the above post.

I have a serious double-clicking problem on my computer and haven't been able to resolve it yet.
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Post Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:11 am

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CUPE 561 Election Results are in.

Not much has changed.

The same men still have all the power in the union, as they have had for many years.

Dave Ginter is still President of the local, and casuals (most of whom are women and/or minorities) will continue to have no rights (as the School District stated at the Tribunal hearings) and nobody really looking out for them.

One interesting change -

Dave Y. is no longer Shop Steward for the Maintenance Department at the Coquitlam School District.

Dave Y. was Shop Steward for about 8 years. Amazing how he lasted so long in that position without actually having read the Collective Agreement (as he admitted at the Tribunal hearings).

Tom M. is now Shop Steward for the Maintenance Department, which surprises me.

Last time I heard, in November, Tom (who used to be a full-time painter) was still in the position he was awarded in mid-2007, that of the Trades Supervisor PM. That position is listed in the Position Database Report. The only Official CUPE Classification that comes close to it is the Trades Supervisor III (PM Shift).

One title or another, Tom inhabits the top evening bargaining-unit supervisory position.

Part of the job description for Trades Supervisor III (PM Shift) is as follows -

Quote:
Supervises, trains, assigns, coordinates and monitors the work of the maintenance trades, uncertified trades; monitors and follows up on absenteeism; implements policies as directed.

Writes probation and trial reports and performance reviews for, and issues verbal and written reprimands to assigned staff; testifies at grievances and arbitration hearings as required.


It seems like the new Shop Steward for the Maintenance Department has even more power and authority than the previous Shop Steward had, through his position as a top bargaining-unit supervisor.

Conflict of interest issues not going away

Will Tom be a good Shop Steward who does the right thing, or will he just do whatever Dave Ginter, Management, and his friends in the Maintenance Department want him to do?

I hope Tom at least reads the Collective Agreement, from cover to cover, a couple of times.

Here's one important thing to remember that Dave Ginter doesn't like to talk about -

Collective Agreement - 7.6 Termination of Service

Quote:
C. The parties agree that casual employees who are terminated have access to the grievance procedure.


Dave Ginter will tell a terminated casual that they are no longer a member, and have no rights under the Collective Agreement.

Although I was always laid off every year, from 1996 through 2005, due to lack of work, in 2003 I suddenly got a termination slip, mailed to me after I was laid off. Until I read that slip I never even heard the word 'termination' at the school district. Funny how I got the termination slip soon after I found out I had no seniority, and started inquiring about it.

Then, in 2005, when the School District wouldn't bring me back for the year-round casual jobs, shortly after I was laid off, Dave Ginter tried to lead me to believe that I had no rights, telling me that I was no longer a member of the union.

Wrong.

Article 7.6 clearly states that terminated casuals have access to the grievance procedure.

That means terminated casuals still have rights under the Collective Agreement. Whether you were terminated with, or without, cause you're still entitled to be represented by the union.

There are no exceptions in Article 7.6, section C.

And while you're at it, read Article 7.6, section B. - Dismissal, and what it says about 'proper cause'.

Too bad I didn't know any of this while I was employed at the School District.

Just like one of my witnesses said at the Tribunal hearings:

Referring to himself - "You never saw a Collective Agreement. You didn't know what your rights were, and nobody wanted to tell you either".

That witness worked at the Coquitlam School District from 1996 through 1999, as a casual painter.

Status quo remains, all these years later.
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Management positions acting as union member representatives? - there oughta' be a law, a bylaw, a union not up the employers' ass....

And here we thought convenience was for electric appliances. Rolling Eyes

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