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Elvis
Post Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:46 am

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It took me awhile to laugh about this one...

Rae launches bid for Liberal leadership

...that was until I read...

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Ontario Health Minister George Smitherman and former Ontario finance minister Greg Sorbara introduced Mr. Rae. He blamed the two provincial Liberals "for putting me up to this."


The ching-ching chain gang is about to break loose. Wonder if the time spent in exile reformed them? Or is the next fleece already in the works? Rolling Eyes

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SharynS
Post Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:12 am

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attracted to the Liberal party because "it builds on hope, not fear.
I have to agree, the liberal rhetoric is positive, what they say is what you get. And what the party can't do with rhetoric it does with legislation. No liberal wish is too small to be legislated into rule - if they want it, then you got it!

thanks to emmerson, stronach, haggard, hargrove and all other party faithfuls for taking the shock and awe out of political swing and bringing it into the 21st century for all to enjoy. Rolling Eyes

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wm pasz
Post Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:10 pm

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Actually it's guys like Cliff Evans, Mikey Fraser, the Mancinelli's and other biz union big shots who put Bro Bob up to this. Bob was their buddy during his disappointing tenure as Premier of Ontario in the early 1990's. Bob disappointed everyone, particularly die hard left wingers, but made the biz unionists very very happy.

His most enduring legacy was the introduction in Ontario of casino gambling, which made the biz unionists and their shadier friends very happy indeed. The millions he quietly dished out for biz union construction projects also helped the partnership.

Bob and Cliff Evans were and are especially cozy. Bob actually cut the ribbon at the hotel that we call the Mondo Condo with uncle Cliff and the perverted Ron Kelly beaming beside him.

As the NDP slipped into history, the biz unionists are without a political party that can advance their causes (I mean their selfish causes, not the causes of working people). Bob's looking for a new gig in the limelight. Practicing corporate law is lucrative but it's not as exciting as being on the political stage.

Thankfully, Bob hasn't got a chance at winning the Liberal leadership. He's reviled by a lot of people in Ontario and considered a political turncoat by many others.

His candidacy is a testament to his - and his biz unionist backers' - arrogance and disconnectedness.

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TNT
Post Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:46 pm

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His most enduring legacy was the introduction in Ontario of casino gambling


It wasn't Sunday shopping. Shocked Evil or Very Mad
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weiser
Post Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:54 pm

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Sunday shopping opened the doors for Sunday Gambling.
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Post Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:46 pm

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In terms of social impact, the introduction of Sunday shopping pales in relation to that of casino gambling. I don't doubt that was disruptive or inconvenient for some workers. (Many people had, historically, worked on Sundays - it wasn't working on Sundays that was prohibited, it was retailing on Sundays.) But I have yet to hear of anyone committing suicide, spending their life's savings or doing crimes because of Sunday shopping.

Rae passage of the law that legalized Sunday shopping was just another example of his life as a tool of the business and biz unionist communities. The retailers - and especially the big unionised grocery chains - wanted Sunday shopping and the biz unionists really didn't care that they got it. By 1993, when the legislation was passed, union leaders like the UFCW's Evans had swallowed the corporate retailers' bullshit about "changes in the industry" that required "different approaches" and "greater competitiveness". In the backrooms, the skids were being greased for concessions that made Sunday work look like a minor inconvenience.

I recall that in his many speeches where he tried to explain his sudden shift in position on the issue, Rae used expressions like "the world has changed". It actually changed for him once he was elected and the biz unionists (and their business partners) started pulling his chain.

Union opposition (at least by the biz unionists) to Sunday shopping was mostly a choreographed event to give workers in unionized retail establishments (mostly represented by the UFCW and the newly merged RW-USWA operation) a warm feeling that their union reps were conscious of their interests. Once Rae promised that companion legislation making Sunday work voluntary for retail employees would be part of the package, the union leaders were good with it. Sure, the legislation wouldn't be much protection to non-union retail workers but who really cared about them anyway? Not Cliff Evans or Tommy Collins. If anything, the theory went, it would make them more likely to want to join unions so that their union could make sure they weren't being forced to work on Sundays. Well, it didn't and today you never hear much (nothing, in fact) about the dileterious effects of Sunday shopping.

Casino gambling, on the other hand, is a different matter.

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:25 pm

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In my opinion casinos simply brought to light the addiction of some to gambling, and is now used as an excuse for the addiction. I personally know someone that before casinos would spend his paycheck at the race track and on lottery tickets.
Compare the number affected by a gambling addiction brought on by casinos to those affected by wide open Sunday shopping and which was worse.

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Many people had, historically, worked on Sundays

Is the line the business and biz unionists always used to convince us that what they were doing was normal and acceptable, however those people that worked Sundays knew when they took the job Sunday was part of their work week, they never had it forced on them.
Of coarse I'm speaking as someone in retail who has lived on both sides so I guess my opinion may be tainted, but if you think about the number of retail employee's now forced to work Sundays at least I'm not alone.
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