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| atuuschaaw |
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:09 am
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 781 Location: an ahwangan |
Quote: Pointing out corruption or just plain ineptitude is a noble cause, but it works best when everybody that can matter in the effort to change that state gets the message. That takes the converted speaking not just amongst themselves, but taking up the soap-box with every connected member; taking it up member by member. That’s how I learned it…. Welcome ftl 
I don't think anyone here is really disagreeing with you. I think we all realize exactly what you're saying and why you are saying it. I learned it the same way as you! This site and thousands more are utilizing the web just for that reason; to stand on the soap-box and connect with as many people as possible. The web offers us opportunities we've never before realized and is one tool in the people's arsenal for truth and justice. (However, it is one of the best and widely used tools these days). And sometimes even the choir sings out of key and needs a little revival! I know I certainly do! 
_________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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| Pearson |
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:24 pm
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Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1417 Location: Sun City AZ |
Quote: I’m sorry you disagreed with my post. It was not that what you are doing is not supremely important. It is just that every god-damned member needs to hear it. They are the ones voting….all of them, or as many as you can get concerned in their own future.
Therein lies the nexus of the dilemma, and it isn't about what i am saying...it is what the reformers at 588 were doing. The folks trying to clean up local 588 have been working their asses off trying to reach members..one on one. They have struck a cord and reached people like never before. So much so the family Loveall saw their personal dynasty in jeopardy. If it was simply a process of giving people the opportunity to an election based on facts, based on reach, the reformers had a chance. The law mandating clean elections leveled the playing field, created a sense of fairness. With the new wrinkle of a merger and the local dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars in man hours, advertising and glitsy publications it is an impossible task. Add in the two other facts; the international is at least passively campaigning for the merger and the local has not allowed any other candidates in the election and you can see why this whole game is such a sham. This has been far more than an internet campaign of small minorities of members talking. These guys trying to take back their union have been out there in hundreds of stores talking to workers...about an election the leadership at local 588 is refusing to allow happen. It's bullshit of the highest order. It is good to see you again ftl and your point is well taken. Saving the world won't happen because of the internet, but it will certainly happen with the internet as one of the tools of enlightenment. Never undervalue communication and exposure...it will ultimately be the thing that topples these assholes. _________________ If we don't do it, who will? |
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| exraleys |
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:06 pm
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Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 193 |
Quote: I’m sorry you disagreed with my post. It was not that what you are doing is not supremely important. It is just that every god-damned member needs to hear it. They are the ones voting….all of them, or as many as you can get concerned in their own future. I think the Loveall's, etal, have too much control and that the membership is so fragmented that the only people capable of stopping this mess is the Feds. Why is the union pushing for this so hard? and what is the hurry? Because the faster the information comes out the greater the chance this merger being voted down. The membership needs to know, Doug Slaydon is working hard under very difficult circumstances. It is tough going into stores on his own time, campaigning for union election and bringing up issues that the members need to be aware of. I don't know how he would be as a leader but I admire his courage and fortitude. At this point, the only hope we may have is for the Feds or a Grand Jury to indite the leaders under the RICO statute. |
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| Laboryes |
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:45 am
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1967 |
Check this out! While viewing the LM2's for Local 1288 I noticed that there is one " David Loveall" on the LM2 also you will notice that Hunsucker also has a few family members on the payroll. Check out LM2 here:
http://groceryworkers.org/view-ufcw-local-1288-lm2-report _________________ "When people refuse to obey, then democracy comes alive." Howard Zinn |
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| Laboryes |
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:29 pm
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1967 |
Hammer Away The Loveall Lie
The Loveall's want everybody to mark and mail their merger ballot in today. Here is the problem with their info. They want to establish a $2 million dollar retail strike and defense fund without increasing dues. If reducing pensions, creating new hire rates, establishing annual health premiums, raising out of pocket co-pays, reducing Sunday rates, etc, etc, and etc, for all the UFCW members was what the Loveall's settled for with the employers during the 2004-2005 contract without calling a strike-then what possible future employer takeaway would the Loveall's feel will be so outrageous that they would resort to a labor strike in the next contract? Sounds like more "bull" to me... "They want to bring more clout to the bargaining table." The Loveall's had the clout of 30,000 members during the 2004-2005 contract and look what that did for the 30,000 members. "They want to maintain experienced officers, negotiators and representatives with more than 450 years of contract experience." If reducing pensions, creating new hire rates, establishing annual health premiums, raising out of pocket co-pays, reducing Sunday rates, etc, etc, and etc, for all the UFCW members, then what did one minute of those 450 years of contract experience do for any UFCW member in the last contract? "They want to ensure more political strength to secure pro-worker legislation." The only pro-worker legislation that is currently needed is for the workers of UFCW 588 to have a taste of democracy by creating an election of officers every three years. The U.S. Department of Labor requires this but ever since their eyes were shot out by union corruption they can't even see the grease on their palms... "They want to provide nine member service centers throughout the jurisdiction, 40 dedicated Union Reps to enforce contracts and 100 experienced staff members to serve you." After reading this highlight, I am starting to believe I know where Larry Johnston found his next job after leaving Albertsons. This statement has Larry Johnston written all over it-which means this is just a bunch of bull. "They want to create the largest membership of any UFCW affiliate in the Western United States, representing 40 of California's 58 counties." All they want to create is a larger "member dues" base where they can count on their annual pay raises even when the emloyers close a store here or there eliminating a number of replaceable members. The only thing that this merger highlights is that these crooks get up every morning knowing that sometime during the day they are going to BS somebody...And you can bet that "somebody" is one of their hard working, dues paying, members.... See More Here: http://groceryworkers.org/hammer-away-the-loveall-lie _________________ "When people refuse to obey, then democracy comes alive." Howard Zinn |
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| Pearson |
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:39 pm
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Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1417 Location: Sun City AZ |
Great piece Ly, but you forgot the BIGGEST lie of them all...this bullshit scam called a merger vote is first and foremost an election with only one slate of candidates. I would be sure in every article, leaflet and discussion that fact is made clear. This is an election vote disguised as a merger.
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| atuuschaaw |
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:51 am
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 781 Location: an ahwangan |
Although the following story has little to do with the Lovealls, I believe it significantly describes the directions we as human beings, citizens, and union members have decided we want to go. Power must be distributed among the people and can no longer be allowed to pool in the hands of a few. The days of dynasty are eroding, and just as the Chandler family's hold on power dissolved, so too must the Loveall's and all the others whose biz-u tactics continually deny democracy and justice within our organizations and politics!
The structures of power are changing, however seemingly slowly, but changing beneficially nonetheless. And the speed of these changes is increasing by leaps and bounds. I look back just 10 years ago, and the only union news I was receiving was via a monthly newsletter which by the time I received it, was two months behind current affairs and was "so filtered" by the officaldom, it was absolutely useless. Sometime it's difficult to see how much things have changed due to the fact that there is so much more that needs changing. But as I reflect back to just a few years ago, I see major changes that have taken place. We have shifted into third gear and although the road is still loaded with curves and potholes, we're getting there, and handling the obstacles damn well I believe! Quote: Dynasties and Power Shifts
Power, like its first cousin fortune, cannot be passed along as an heirloom forever. Families fracture. Bloodlines thin. Connections to the past grow tenuous. _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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| SharynS |
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:13 pm
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2940 Location: the 'puter |
Quote: I look back just 10 years ago, and the only union news I was receiving was via a monthly newsletter which by the time I received it, was two months behind current affairs and was "so filtered" by the officaldom, it was absolutely useless. 
I'm at the point where change isn't as important as seeing a good portion of the crooks behind bars. Or is that the same thing too? _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| Pearson |
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:53 pm
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Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1417 Location: Sun City AZ |
Interesting read A, and one that gave me hope; but in a very strange way. I think "our" plight for a better place to live is way disjointed. We all move with no connection, no goals, no plans; just a bunch of rebels drifting amidst in a sea of change (and certainly not all for the best).
I liked this cut, though the comment on labor having clout is rapidly becoming a fallacy. Quote: "Who runs L.A.?" repeated City Controller Laura Chick. "Labor. Contractors and vendors and lobbyists who do business with the city." Increasingly, she said, there has also been "more empowerment of communities, neighborhoods, activist groups, constituent groups…."
It is obviously the second sentence i like. The power brokers have always been the players. The money people have always pulled the strings. The question becomes who, how and when can the "communities of interest" take their rightful place in having a say? I do think it will take one of these old money guys with a conscience to make a financial commitment to bring us together. Nope, not buying us, but funding us so we can meld into a more universal and dynamic movement. To take out the power players there need be some minimal resources. As we se in the case of the Lovealls and the UFCW international, they are willing to do just about anything to keep people from having a fair chance. It's coming A, i just wish it was sooner. _________________ If we don't do it, who will? |
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