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SFway
Post Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:14 pm

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Good stuff, people !

Also...put xerox notices of this manager's policy on customers' cars with the thought that it would be nice if each customer offered the clerk checking them out a bottle of water.

Have a "I ain't no damn camel" day at the store - coming to work with camel gear, costumes, those anti-dehydration fanny packs that some marathon runners have (with the straw hooked up - boss didn't say a thing about those!!!)

Have "The Culligan Man" deliver a 5-gallon (liter???) water bottle to every checkstand on a busy day...Photo Op!!!!

I agree with LY: get us this putz's name and store phone number and we'll give him a call, or two, or a hundred...again, preferably on a busy day. And his District Manager's name and phone number.
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SharynS
Post Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:38 pm

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#946 manager - Jim Hillis
Store phone: 604.826.9564
(normal hours: tue - sat 8am->)

District manager: Hugh Fosolan
604.881.3658
email: hugh_fosolan@owfg.com

Overwaitea Food Group head office
Langley B.C
604-888-1213

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girls rule
Post Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:17 pm

Joined: 22 Aug 2006
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WOW!
nice job everyone.
i've been out and about doing subversive things and too busy to post. i really like this thread!
wmp, those are some great ideas for siggy! i think that is a great starting place! being able to mess with them "with-in" the legal perimeters, is a good thing. fliers on cars is awesome! great environmental footnotes too.
calling the manager at the store is a great idea, "hi, i'm a regular customer of______ store, and i can't believe that a worker is not allowed a drink of water during an 8 hour shift. should i buy bottled water at another store to drop off to these poor dehydrated workers? or can i get the phone # of your direct supervisor to let them know there is a problem at your store?" that's great! siggy, please post the #s.
to go back to the beginning of this thread, i don't want anyone to lose thier jobs by pushing the line. i think there are a lot of ways to interpret "the rules".
i work according to my company's guidelines to the point of annoyance! it bugs the crap out of my bosses that i get so many compliments. in the meantime, i spend my mental free-time thinking of ways to mess with the system.
we should be able to share some generic ideas online and pm specific items, to keep people safe.
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Elvis
Post Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:10 pm

Joined: 01 Feb 2006
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I debated sending this from a law firm addy. Decided against freaking him out too much. Sig, I hope I got the names and issues are sorted correctly...

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Subject: Water study at store #946

Hello Hugh,

I have recently been made aware of a new policy out in BC in which clerks are not able to keep drinking water at their work-stations. This rather interesting idea has been implemented by a gentleman named Jim Hillis (store # 946). In the interest of top-level customer service, the appearance of your front-line staff has come into question. It seems that the removal of any semblance of a smile, along with the additional sweat and employee dehydration, will be highly appreciated by Overwaitea customers!

As an individual with interest in the service industry, and labour field in general, I’m curious to know more about this BC phenomenon. Was this the result of a customer survey? Are water bottles a visual impairment, rather than a subliminal advertisement? What other benefits does Mr. Hillis foresee with this water ban?

I’m sure that Health Canada and relevant labour law guidelines have already been consulted. Hopefully Mr. Hillis is being properly compensated for this social science study, as it is clearly ground-breaking. Issues and ideas like this aren’t usually broadcast to an international audience. You must surely be proud.

Please let me know where I can receive further information on this fascinating topic.

Thank you,

Elvis


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SharynS
Post Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:15 pm

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Mr. Green Beautiful E, just f**king beautiful!

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Elvis
Post Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:11 am

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Just make sure that me and Hillis get the bulletin board treatment. Better yet, once it's on the union board, it's untouchable... unless your rep is a dick. Laughing

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SharynS
Post Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:03 am

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Great idea, I'll even post it in a couple places and on a couple boards where "they're" allowed to tear it down - fair is fair eh.
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...unless your rep is a dick.
ufcw - if that helps E. To be sure, the rep was in yesterday spreading good news. She never once mentioned anything about the proposal that would see the old company pension handed over and merged with the ufcw industry pension. It must have slipped her mind. Where was I? Oh yeah, I'll be sure to use long lasting paper and ink. If anyone takes it down it will be jimbob, he hates everything.

Have to tell you this story E, it still makes me warm all over.

A few weeks ago during just one of the silliest joint labour management meetings I just couldn't help myself. Exactly one month prior to this meeting I had posted the minutes from the previous meeting - on the union board. When jimbob was handed a copy to follow along, he got all flushed. It was obviously the first time he'd bothered to read them and he took instant offense at my interpretation. He then instructed me that from here on in, I was to run the minutes by him prior to posting them.

Like I said, the moment was too good to pass up and it was his time he was wasting (and the meat of the next set of minutes). I mentioned that if he wanted to write up his own version that was within his right, as it was mine to post member relevant info on the union board. He said "No you can't". To which I replied "yes I can". He said; "No you can't". I replied "yes I can".

damn they're fun.

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Laboryes
Post Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:36 am

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siggy wrote:
#946 manager - Jim Hillis
Store phone: 604.826.9564
(normal hours: tue - sat 8am->)

District manager: Hugh Fosolan
604.881.3658
email: hugh_fosolan@owfg.com

Overwaitea Food Group head office
Langley B.C
604-888-1213



Oooh! To fun!

Let's see if we can't run ole Jimmy boy a bit ragged by Sat!

Hey SFway & Girls Rule I bet I can make more calls to Jimmy boy by Sat than you can! Razz Twisted Evil

Is Jim a drinker Sig? Oh he will be by Sat Mr. Green

And for all you lurkers out there PLEASE pick up the phone and make a call to ole Jimmy boy!......ya that means you 2-Tone get off your butt and make a call Mr. Green

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SFway
Post Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:54 pm

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Brother LY...
I'll just bet you can...but it won't be for lack of trying! Very Happy but I think GR will whup us both Very Happy Very Happy

Let's all give Mr. Hillis the VIP treament:

VIOLATE
IGNORE
PUSH
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The Third Element
Post Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:25 pm

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Could one stencil a UFCW/Loblaws logo on it? What if is came with checkers stenciled on it?

...get it... checkers...

...sorry Crying or Very sad

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Elvis
Post Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:48 pm

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Hugh responds!

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Hello Elvis

Jim is following company direction that is directed at all of the stores not just the Mission store. Our commitment to our customers and our staff is provide a safe environment in all of our stores.

· Employees are granted breaks in accordance to our Collective Agreement as well these breaks are in accordance with Labour Laws in Canada

· Communicable disease- In order to address Food Premises regulations and Food Service and Food Retail code for Canada which ensures that food is prepared in safe manner- personal items in any production facility are not allowed as they may contribute to the transmission of a communicable disease.

Thank you for showing interest on this issue if you would discuss this with Jim directly feel free to give him a call at 604- 826-9564.

Hugh Fosolan
Regional Manager
Save On Foods


I love the food safety shit he spits out. Have you heard about A&P going balistic and suing these guys for showing what really gets done to the food? I got some great restaurant stories to share with Hugh, if he'd like. Treat your employees like shit and it becomes a great spiral down...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5iDpxucNFE

It's all about the PRODUCE, PRODUCE!!!

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SharynS
Post Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:48 am

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It's official and hughie is on the money. ufcw 1518 rep called and confirmed that it's a long standing company wide policy. Apparently in effect since time began and just now dusted off and pulled out of the big bag of oppressive tricks. Which - if my calculations are correct - takes some of the heat off jimbob - and others like him - and who then take on the much coveted role of innocent enforcer/messenger.

I think pointing at an entire employer and taking the personality out of it makes for a much more effective leaflet. Much easier for the community to take up the cause. It is their children working under these conditions.

Overall it changes little. To quote SF, it's just "effing stupid". The good news is that the employer boasts endlessly about how valuable it's employees are to the business - I'm assuming they mean hydrated and/or dehydrated. Either way there's a veritable bounty of contradiction available.

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wm pasz
Post Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:04 pm

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Communicable disease- In order to address Food Premises regulations and Food Service and Food Retail code for Canada which ensures that food is prepared in safe manner- personal items in any production facility are not allowed as they may contribute to the transmission of a communicable disease.


Oh puleeeze Save-On senior exec-o's! Has it not occurred to you that your retail stores are not production facilities, they're retail establishments? You're not producing the food and other items on your shelves, you're selling them. Even if "production facility" could be applied to areas of your operation where food is actually produced (like a bakery), you're cashiers do not work in a production facility. Give your heads a shake.

Even if this were the case, I'm not sure how a bottle of water - with the cap on - or one of those drink bottles with the little nib that you pull up when you're taking a drink can contribute to the spread of communicable disease. Are there not thousands of bottled products on your store shelves? Are the conveyor belts at the cash registers not teeming with harmful bacteria from raw chicken drippings, spilled milk, unwashed produce, packaging that has passed through dozens of unclean hands before it landed on your shelves? What about the cashiers' hands? They're scary germ factories from handling cash (apparently cash has so many germs on it that handling it is like sticking your hand in a toilet bowl) and all the unwashed, unclean, germ-laden stuff that comes down the belt?

This is nonsense. A good example of how laws that don't apply are stretched and made to look like they do apply by a corporate idiocracy that works in comfortable offices and can wet their whistles any time they want.

Here's a thought: Since the root culprit is Save On headquarters, why don't we enourage the whole world to send a bottle of water to Save On's CEO with a letter protesting the stupid rule and a request that the enclosed bottle be "donated" to a cashier in need. Maybe after being deluged (pun intended) with water bottles, the chief will "get it".

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wm pasz
Post Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:28 pm

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More...just can't help myself.

I looked up the Food Retail and Food Services Code to which Hugh refers and for the life of me I can't find anything that might make water bottles at cash registers verboten so as to thwart the spread of communicable disease (I have to wonder how this would work anyway - is it possible for a bottle of water to unscrew its cap, leap up off the counter and pour itself down the throat of some unsuspecting customer? Damn! I'd like to see that.)

But I did find this interesting requirement:

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5.5 Personal Habits

a. Food handlers who engage in activities which may result in the transfer of bacteria (e.g., sneezing, touching hair/eyes/mouth/nose, etc.), must wash their hands before resuming food service activities and food handling.


OK - so there's the old "work to rule" thing that can be quite effective and fun too. "Oh sorry sir, I just inadvertently touched my snoot. Must go wash my hands now. It's the law. Be right back. Please don't touch the money - or lick the conveyor belt."

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Laboryes
Post Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:00 pm

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Have "The Culligan Man" deliver a 5-gallon (liter???) water bottle to every checkstand on a busy day...Photo Op!!!!


Quote:
Here's a thought: Since the root culprit is Save On headquarters, why don't we enourage the whole world to send a bottle of water to Save On's CEO with a letter protesting the stupid rule and a request that the enclosed bottle be "donated" to a cashier in need. Maybe after being deluged (pun intended) with water bottles, the chief will "get it".


I love these two ideas and they got me thinking!

What if Siggy and the gang there in Mission got a few big ugly knuckle draggers like me and Sfway to dress up like angels or fairies....you know the frilly little wings and everything(giggle, giggle...chuckle chuckle) just had a vision of SFway in a fairy costume! Mr. Green

Sig you've got to have a few big ugly goons like me and SFway in your area?

Anyway buy a few cases of one the competitors store brand water and have the knuckle dragging angel/fairies go into the store and hand each checker a bottle of water! At the same time your water angels caring for the workers H2O needs are going from check stand to check stand you have a few other people going through the store with the flyer telling the story about the ridiculous water policy.

You then have one person with a video camera and another with a digital camera getting pictures of ole Jimmy Hillis running through the store like a humming bird on crank trying to gain some kind of control over the situation!

Once your pics and video are taken you rush your water angels out to the get away car waiting out in front of the store and speed off before the cops can arrive! The workers of that store see for themselves how completely out of control manager Jim Hillis really is and the customers are left with some good entertainment and the true story with the flyer left in their hand.

Mean while the water angels are already at home down loading the whole event on You Tube for the world to see!

One other thing anyone calling Jimmy boy try and get it recorded might make for a good post! Twisted Evil

PS Siggy I need the mailing address to the Save-On corporate headquarters.

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