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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 781 Location: an ahwangan |
Left Behind: Eternal Forces This is just too unreal to be true! Tell me it isn't true! Quote: Courtesy of the Pentagon, and the Pentagon Chaplain's Office, troops in Iraq will soon be able to unwind, after a hard day's urban warfare, by playing a video game in which they command a Christian fundamentalist army waging urban warfare in America ! On the streets of New York City ! Plus, in the game screens appear, between different levels of play, with short, helpful essays such as one that explains how the Theory of Evolution is clearly impossible. And, the game will be provided to US troops free of charge ! How cool is that ? _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 358 Location: Ground Zero |
Reads like a typical liberal meltdown piece. Liberals are like anyone else in that respect, they have to vent somehow. Articles like this are as good a way as any.
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 781 Location: an ahwangan |
Oh you read the article? I couldn't get past the video preview of the game! Quote: Finally a PC game that has great action and positive value Frickin hilarious! _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2940 Location: the 'puter |
it'll be interesting to see how it's received. I would think - with all the negative war reviews- not to mention the thousands of people dying for no apparent reason - that there's a tad of tension between the palace and the guards. I wouldn't be any surprised if many of the men and women - whose lives the assholes are playing war with - aren't deeply offended by this blatant attempt to mind control - they should be.
Necessity is the mother of invention - what could have necessitated the pentagon's swift and pointed intervention - are the troops rebelling? _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 781 Location: an ahwangan |
Mull, since you actually read the original piece, I guess you might be interested in a couple more?
Kill or Convert Army Head of Chaplains But perhaps this whole apocalyptic video game thing hasn't anything to do with a dooms day wish, but is just part of Sam's way of treating stress disorders? I must be really warped...I find this story funnier than hell! To paraphrase Vidal...Anyone with an IQ over room temperature can see how lame this whole concept really is. _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 358 Location: Ground Zero |
Quote: To paraphrase Vidal...Anyone with an IQ over room temperature can see how lame this whole concept really is. You’re speaking of Gore Vidal I take it, who wrote some pretty weird stuff himself. Vidal wouldn’t be the first to allow his hyperactive IQ to get in the way of better sense. But that’s another story. …and concept of what, end times hysteria? Why not? If the end times are here we might better have just cause to be a little hysterical. What can I tell you? Folks have been studying end times prophesy for centuries and now it seems to be happening on schedule. As far as the Stress Disorders issue; Sam will do anything to find a way to stop the bad press about that. Every war has SD fall out problems for the military. I’m sure it has less to do with ‘dooms day’ than it does with finding a way to help SD victims. |
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Quote: …and concept of what, end times hysteria? Why not? If the end times are here we might better have just cause to be a little hysterical. What can I tell you? Folks have been studying end times prophesy for centuries and now it seems to be happening on schedule. Damn Mull, you're just entirely too serious Bro! I found this piece to be comical...the very reason I posted it in the Lounge! But, like I said, my sense of humor is probably warped, so I apologize if I ran my fingernails across your blackboard! Didn't mean to...I promise! But, to reply to your statement above...in my eyes at least, there's a big difference between being a little hysterical about the "possibility" of the end times and actually advocating and maybe even cultivating an apocalyptic cataclysmic event. It's almost as if the only way to prove the Bible is truly God's word is to "make" his prophecies come true! Now that brings a touch of hysteria to even my simple little brain! The ''end times'' are coming...no doubt in my mind. None of us creatures who take up space on this earth will live forever and we all will reach our very own "end times" sooner or later. But we can do it without destroying everyone and everything around us! After all, we've been doing it for centuries! _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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| Mulligan |
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Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 358 Location: Ground Zero |
Quote: Damn Mull, you're just entirely too serious Bro! No, no! Not at all. It is comical in some respects. Wasn’t trying to be that way. It’s just that I know where some of these people are coming from and that I know they are quite serious about it. Let if happen. If it is true there ain’t much you or I can do to stop it. |
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Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 358 Location: Ground Zero |
Well, let’s see. What’s funny here? I do see some humor in the article by Max Blumenthal:
Quote: Thanks to the influence of extreme Christian fundamentalism, the wall separating church and state is nothing but smoke and debris. And OSU is the IED that exploded the wall separating church and state in the Pentagon and throughout our military." Weinstein continued: "The fact that they would even consider taking their crusade to a Muslim country shows the threat to our national security and to the constitution and everyone that loves it. It is hilarious that a guy name Mikey Weinstein is scared to death because he thinks a Christian fundamentalist group calling itself “Operation Straight Up” is capable of rendering huge, hitherto impregnable walls into mere smoke and debris. And that he thinks the same outfit can be compared with an improvised explosive device as something capable of demolishing entire sections of a large building. All those years it took the ACLU to build those walls, remove Christian icons from public places, ban the idea of a Christian God from public schools, forbid Christian prayer at graduation ceremonies, … and now they want to do what? Preach Christianity in Moslem countries?! The end is near indeed. |
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1219 Location: Toronto |
When I first read the Alternet article I had to wonder if this was for real or a scary sort of attempt at satire but it does seem to be real. I think I've heard of this Left Behind game before (and the series of books that seem to be its inspiration) and recall that it's promoted by various Christian kook groups (I call all religious fundamentalists "kooks" btw) as good clean electronic fun straight from the awmighty hisself so it's not something entirely new.
But what is new is the suggestion that the Pentagon is promoting it among service personnel in Iraq. The weird thing about that is that our governments have sweated numerous times in the past about what to do with soldiers returning to a domestic environment that isn't going to be pleasing to them. Physical/disabilities, unemployment, poverty, confusion about the purpose of the whole military adventure that they were a part of, a lukewarm reception by the folks at home...all of these have been cause for much concern in previous wars (even ones for which there was some justification). For example, the Canadian government's hand-wringing about the possible militancy of thousands of ex-servicemen returning from WW2 is largely responsible for our labour relations legal framework (unions got some rights so they could control what was believed to be a volatile bunch of war-hardened guys who were returning to economic hard times at home). So could there be some harebrained, crackpot, fundamentalism-fueled plot to speed up the rapture by turning disillusioned Iraq vets into modern day crusaders? The rational side of me says "Oh come on, that's so friggin' far-fetched they wouldn't even put it on the X-Files" but then I look at what the crackpots around GWB have brought us over the past several years and I have to wonder.... _________________ Time is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. Truth is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. You don't need anything else. - Malcolm X |
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Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 136 Location: Upland, Ca. |
I'm not surprised by the Pentagon's attempt to cash in on a fundamentalist franchise. After all,even teenagers playing World of Warcraft on line have been approached by the Republican Party for voter registration purposes; Schwartzenegger's people trolled for votes!
Since I'm pretty sure I'll be taken up by the rapture, I'm not worried about that left behind stuff. _________________ ...a dream lives on forever... |
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Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 358 Location: Ground Zero |
Someone named Mikey Weinstein is quoted as saying in someone named Max Blumenthal’s article:
Quote: The fact that they would even consider taking their crusade to a Muslim country shows the threat to our national security and to the constitution and everyone that loves it. That’s an amazing statement when you think about it. In other words, Mikey is terrified that anyone should attempt to bring Christianity to Moslem countries. Yet there’s not a thought here about the spread of Islam across the world, violent and otherwise. Think about the vast changes in Western culture that have, and will, come with it if it is allowed to continue. I suspect that we’re being given a rare insight to the true nature of Secular Humanist thought -which allows that; ‘any condition of the human experience is preferable to that which is brought about by Christianity.’ And why does he see that as a threat to the Constitution? Does he not understand that under Moslem domination, the Constitution will not be worth the paper it’s written on? Quote: Since I'm pretty sure I'll be taken up by the rapture, I'm not worried about that left behind stuff. That makes you a ‘pre-tribber,’ Catbear. I’m sure you’re aware there have been at least three schools of thought on the advent of the Rapture: the pre-tribbers, the mid-tribbers, and the post-tribbers. There are also the ‘no-tribbers. I hope you’re right about the pre-trib part because not only do I not want to go through the Tribulation, but also because the writers of the Left Behind series will have an awful lot of revising to do. |
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 781 Location: an ahwangan |
Quote: I suspect that we’re being given a rare insight to the true nature of Secular Humanist thought -which allows that; ‘any condition of the human experience is preferable to that which is brought about by Christianity.’ Or maybe it's a rare insight into how religion has kept human beings subservient and engaged in endless wars? George Carlin has a few thoughts on any and all religions! _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 661 Location: Toronto |
atu, are you a Zeitgeist fan too? They use that Carlin clip to great effect! And because I love the flick so much (its been a crazy mind-fuck for every friend that has screened it so far) I'll advertise it in this thread as well.
This movie so tightly shows the error of organized religion... on the Christian end. We hear enough about the quacks on the Muslim side. 21st century log-in-the-eye syndrome. I believe in God. I believe in Christ. Both loving concepts that I have my own personal relationship with. Not some organized distortion fed to me. I believe in the mathematics of the universe but I don't believe in 'astrology' (the math portion is fine, but the worship and fortune-telling part of it is not). I believe in the 'end-times' since I'm watching supposed Christians bring it upon us all in some sort of ritualistic super-mass suicide that I don't want to partake in. It's a self-fulfilling prophesy. They believe their wrong interpretation of valuable teachings so stubbornly that they'll do nothing to stop it. God, don't let it be so. ^^21st century Apostles Creed You want to see Anti-Christ, the one world order coming soon, the RFID chipping of humans and all that type of stuff, watch the film. A tribulation is coming and may already here and the ones that will be left behind are the blinded Christians. The movie can also be freely downloaded here (or not... guess I got mine in time). _________________ Henri Ducard: Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share. Bruce Wayne: That's why it's so important. It separates us from them. |
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 781 Location: an ahwangan |
Quote: atu, are you a Zeitgeist fan too? I guess you could say I'm a fan...I did enjoy the flick! It seems as if anything "organized" on a large scale, whether it be labor, religion, or some other institutional entity, eventually turns inward and self-destructs! The foundations may remain intact on a few of them, but the structures seem to decay and fall into a state of disrepair. Carlin is a little more than most religiously oriented folks can stomach! He definitely doesn't pull his punches! _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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