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Elvis
Post Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:50 am

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This thread is designed along the Song Of The Week lines.

Chavez recently turned a Noam Chomsky book into a best seller. Uncharted members regularly discuss different books. I'm currently reading a fantastic book privately recommended to me by wm pasz.

So we should recommend books in this thread. Good books... like the best-ever version of the Good Book.

Um, I'm going to allow articles as well. I think some of you will appreciate that immensely. Wink

Anyone ever read this guy?...

http://www.elroy.net/ehr/fighttheright.html

That was quite the challenge, K. Very Happy

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Post Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:26 pm

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I’ve been thinking about this thread since Elvis posted it –to the extent that it is a good idea to provide some backdrop for the discussion of books and articles. I, for example, usually have at least three books going at one time –mostly because I’m constantly interested in what’s out there to read (so many books, so little time). The thread is also interesting because Elvis has mentioned an article entitled “How to Fight the Evangelical Right” –a subject which, along with corporate capitalism, enjoys no lack of play on this forum.

Mentioned here is a book entitled “The Sixth Family: The Collapse of the New York Mafia…” which dovetails with some of my currant interests. I'd been watching the “Sopranos” episodes just to see what it was about since the first five series are on DVD (I’ve never had HBO).

The Shakespearian flavored ‘Sopranos’ series, and my curiosity about Elvis’s book “The Sixth Family,” gave way to a book by Selwyn Raab entitled “Five Families: the Rise, Decline, and Resurgence of America’s Most Powerful Mafia Empires,” which I considered more generally informative on the topic (sorry El).

Aside from being a history of the infamous Mafia, “Five Families” discusses the efforts of those who, over the years, fought the malignant effects of organized crime. One figure in particular, that I think will tie this first post together, is that of Senator John McClellan of Arkansas.

McClellan, a democrat, “…served for eighteen years as chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations (1955 – 1973)” and “conducted the famous Valachi Hearings investigating Teamsters head Jimmy Hoffa. During this period, he hired Robert F. Kennedy as chief counsel and vaulted him into the national spotlight (Wiki)."

McClellan, writes Raab,

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…had firsthand exposure to mobsters, presiding as he did over numerous inquiries into union corruption, rackets, and other Mafia misdeeds. …Inwardly he seethed, exasperated at the uncooperative, brazen mobsters who openly defied the government and considered themselves a law unto themselves. A rock-hard Christian fundamentalist (my emphasis), McClellan possessed an Old Testament sense of righteousness and was generally portrayed as a kind and considerate man, but one who truly believed in right and wrong and punishment for evildoers (Raab, 176)
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Point being, I suppose, that it’s easy to dismiss Christian fundamentalists in general under all sorts of pretenses. But sometimes you run across an example of one of them that had some real talent, guts, and tenacity, and “…an Old Testament sense of righteousness… .”


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Inwardly he seethed, exasperated at the uncooperative, brazen mobsters who openly defied the government and considered themselves a law unto themselves. A rock-hard Christian fundamentalist
What about head(s) of government which openly defy the law and consider themselves next to god? Did/does the "rock-hard Christian fundamentalist mention anything about those evildoers?

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Mulligan
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…evildoers?


Not that I know of. McClellan has been dead since 1977, but I guess there’s always a chance that some message from the grave could somehow reach us.
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Post Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:54 pm

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You dug him up.

I'd hate to waste bucks on biased books when there's just so much great stuff that isn't. From what you've given us, I can honestly say I'm not fond of what seems to be McClellan's choice of 'victims'. Acts contrary to and/or defying corporatist rule(s) won't bring tears to my eyes. Not like those which compromise human persons, nuh unh.

I'm not saying I like gangstyle killings for drugs and money, tho that isn't even what seems to be stuck in McClellan's craw. But that said I'd have to pick gangstyle over wreckless abandoned bombing of entire populations for oil reserves anyday.

There were wars and evildoers hanging out prior to '77, isn't it curious that someone with McClellan's "Old Testament sense of righteousness… .”" would omit that chapter in a book about evildoers?

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Post Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:05 am

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…wars and evildoers…


Well, in an attempt to answer your question in a more civil manner, first of all McClellan didn’t write the book, nor was the book about him. He is just a figure among many in this particular documentary about crime. His claim to fame has more to do with the RICO statutes that were passed by US congress in 1970.

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…prior to '77


What might interest you more is the fact that he and the committee he ran -opposed Senator Joe McCarthy in the early fifties during the McCarthy hearings. For details on this, one of your favorite archconservatives, Ann Coulter, wrote a whole book defending McCarthy’s actions. Wikipedia probably has a readout on this subject but hey –feel free to read Coulter’s take on it. It’s called …um (reaches up to book shelf) oh yes, “Treason: Liberal Treachery From the Cold War to the War on Terrorism.”

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Acts contrary to and/or defying corporatist rule(s) won't bring tears to my eyes.


Nor will it to this author’s eyes:

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The Mafia families, … were comparable to well-managed, complex industrial corporations. “They were the mirror image of American capitalism (174).”


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Post Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:14 am

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* "'McCarthyism' means pointing out positions taken by liberals that are unpopular with the American people. As former President Bush said, 'Liberals do not like me talking about liberals.' The reason they sob about the dark night of fascism under McCarthy is to prevent Americans from ever noticing that liberals consistently attack their own country."

* "Liberals have a preternatural gift for striking a position on the side of treason."
Point being, I suppose it's easy for anyone to dismiss in general under all sorts of pretenses. Rolling Eyes

Have to give her this, coulter's uncontested rise to spiritual leader of the right is quite admirable.

Will you excuse me, I have to scrub up.

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Post Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:58 am

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…scrub up


Scrub away.

Reading your quote a couple of times I realized that you were quoting Coulter herself –since you didn’t indicate… Yeah, I agree with Ms Ann completely. She’s a heat-seeking missile aimed directly at Liberalism.

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The reason they sob about the dark night of fascism under McCarthy is to prevent Americans from ever noticing that liberals consistently attack their own country.


Right for the jugular, that one.

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"heat-seeking missile aimed directly at Liberalism" - interesting comment on a few levels. The most obvious being that; it's not Liberal thought Coulter manipulates.

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rogead
Post Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:34 am

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Mulligan,

Don’t let those legs cloud your judgment.

Coulter is a narcissistic megalomaniac who’s come to recognize that her vitriolic, liberal-bashing shtick plays well to the semi-literate devotees of the official Republican Party media organ (otherwise known as The Fox News Network). All of which results in a significant boost to Coulter’s ego and her pocketbook.

As for McCarthyism, the real tragedy was in the fact that otherwise decent human beings were forced into the position of either being destroyed professionally by refusing to testify at the HUAC hearings; or destroying the lives of others by cooperating in the hunt for the commies who were allegedly hiding under the beds of God-fearing Americans.
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…testify at the HUAC hearings…


I’m afraid that’s quite untrue. It’s as inaccurate as referring to AC as a narcissist and as a megalomaniac. In the first place McCarthy had nothing to do with the HUAC hearings of the 1940s. HUAC is an acronym for House Un-American Activities Commission and since McCarthy was a Senator, he would have had no business in the House of Representatives.

But don’t worry. I might have gotten caught in that one myself. In fact one of the reasons Coulter even brought up the subject of McCarthy (-ism if you must) was to clear the air of the mythology that has grown up around it over the last fifty years.

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It’s as inaccurate as referring to AC as a narcissist and as a megalomaniac.
..and as fallacious as using personal opinion as basis for argument Mull? Rolling Eyes

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Post Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:22 pm

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But don’t worry. I might have gotten caught in that one myself.


Putting aside my personal opinions concerning the various personality disorders contained within Ann Coulter’s faux-blonde head, I strongly disagree with your assessment of Joseph McCarthy’s role in the exploits of the House Un-American Activities Committee.

HUAC was established in 1937 with Texas senator Martin Dies serving as its first chairman. Its stated purpose was to investigate groups engaged in subversive “un-American” activities. This initially meant investigating numerous groups including The Ku Klux Klan. It was determined by the committee that the KKK was comprised of loyal Americans and would thus be excluded from investigation. This led to a concentrated effort on socialist, communist, anarchist, and “New Deal” groups. In 1947, they focused their sites on Hollywood for which HUAC became notorious. The posturing of Joseph McCarthy was ever-present throughout congress and throughout these hearings.

McCarthy was concurrently raking his own muck in the senate chambers. All of which culminated in his 1950 “card carrying members of the Communist Party” speech.

There were actually over one hundred different “un-American” activities investigations by numerous congressional bodies in the two decades after World War Two.

“McCarthyism” is a term used to generically describe the anti-communist paranoia which existed in the United States between the end of the Second World War and the ultimate disgrace of Senator McCarthy in 1954 when the senate voted to censure him.
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The posturing of Joseph McCarthy was ever-present throughout congress and throughout these hearings.


It is a bit unwieldy to quote references without citing their source -as you seem to have done (or did you write that yourself?). But had you gone to wikipedia, you would have found the following:

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The committee's anti-communist investigations are often confused with those of Senator Joseph McCarthy. McCarthy, as a senator, had no direct involvement with this House committee (topic: HUAC, Wikipedia.)


-which is all I said to begin with.

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It is a bit unwieldy to quote references without citing their source -as you seem to have done (or did you write that yourself?).


It is perhaps more unwieldy for you to infer plagarism on my part. Believe it or not, Mulligan, I do from time to time come up with an original phrase.

This is the quote from my original post:
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As for McCarthyism, the real tragedy was in the fact that otherwise decent human beings were forced into the position of either being destroyed professionally by refusing to testify at the HUAC hearings; or destroying the lives of others by cooperating in the hunt for the commies who were allegedly hiding under the beds of God-fearing Americans.
It makes no reference to McCarthy. It does make a reference to McCarthyism.
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But had you gone to wikipedia, you would have found the following:
The first sentence under the heading "McCarthyism"
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McCarthyism is the term describing a period of intense anti-Communist suspicion in the United States that lasted roughly from the late 1940s to the late 1950s.
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The historical period known as McCarthyism began well before McCarthy's own involvement in it. There are many factors that can be counted as contributing to McCarthyism, some of them extending back to the years of the first Red Scare (1917-1920), and indeed to the inception of Communism as a recognized political force.

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