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SharynS
Post Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:15 pm

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My oh my, has Hugo Chavez caused a furor. Looking at the news reports filed in the last 24 hours, one would think that he snuck a dirty-bomb into the United Nations rather than gave a speech. In fact, the plucky Chavez may have delivered the finest 30 minute presentation that august assembly has ever heard.

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wm pasz
Post Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:01 pm

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I gotta say I'm turning into a Hugo Chavez fan. I'd like to see him make more of a commitment to democracy in his own country but the guy sure is sticking it to the corporatists. His use of humour at the UN is a terrific example of how speaking in "people speak" as opposed to corporate speak can be so effective. It's really gotta be killing Bush to be likened to the dark lord, what with his overdone religiosity and all.

I read somewhere that amazon.com has been deluged with orders for Chomsky's Hegemony or Survival. Maybe we should ask Hugo to mention uncharted in one of his forthcoming rants. Twisted Evil

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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:23 pm

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"People Speak"--Good!
"Jive Talk" --Bad!

He's like a bulldog isn't he! Once he has had enough, he grabs a mouthful and he doesn't let go! Mr. Green

I'm thinking Hugo spends at least a fair amount of time on the internet. He knows the undercurrents of dissatisfaction around the globe for sure!

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Plutodog
Post Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:46 pm

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The Man Can Speak!

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Rise Up Against the Empire


President Hugo Chavez, Address to the United Nations
United Nations Press Conference 09/19/06 "Information Clearing House" -- --

Representatives of the governments of the world, good morning to all of you. First of all, I would like to invite you, very respectfully, to those who have not read this book, to read it.
Noam Chomsky, one of the most prestigious American and world intellectuals, Noam Chomsky, and this is one of his most recent books, 'Hegemony or Survival: The Imperialist Strategy of the United States. '" [Holds up book, waves it in front of General Assembly.] "It's an excellent book to help us understand what has been happening in the world throughout the 20th century, and what's happening now, and the greatest threat looming over our planet.

The hegemonic pretensions of the American empire are placing at risk the very survival of the human species. We continue to warn you about this danger and we appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our heads. I had considered reading from this book, but, for the sake of time," [flips through the pages, which are numerous] "I will just leave it as a recommendation.

It reads easily, it is a very good book, I'm sure Madame [President] you are familiar with it. It appears in English, in Russian, in Arabic, in German. I think that the first people who should read this book are our brothers and sisters in the United States, because their threat is right in their own house.

The devil is right at home. The devil, the devil himself, is right in the house.
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Mulligan
Post Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:20 pm

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We want ideas to save our planet from the imperialist threat. And, hopefully in this very century, in not to long a time, we will see a new era, and for our children and grandchildren, a world of peace based on the fundamental principles of the United Nations, but a renewed United Nations.



Well ok, I’ll buy into a little bit of that for once. But I have to tell ya, in a Lefty’s perfect world, I wouldn’t want Chavez calling the shots for me, would you -really? I mean, no more than I would want Kim Jong Il, or the guy from Iran who insists on having his own nuclear erector set -running my life.

As one of my all time role models, the astute, and uber capitalist, Gordon Gekko (Oliver Stone), once said:

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Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss.


So according to this article, what is it that we are looking into this particular Abyss for? Is it a world run by the UN? How is that going to be different from a world run by global capitalism? And what is a “…renewed United Nations?”

The present UN certainly hasn’t been very effective against mass genocide and other atrocities (Rwanda comes to mind). Has anyone here thought out how the UN will be “renewed” and by whom or what?
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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:54 pm

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This is the speech you need to read and the one which has hardly seen the light of day. This press release from earlier this month also sheds a little light on what has been discussed by many of the countries.

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wm pasz
Post Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:20 pm

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Friends of the world, this takes us to a sad conclusion: The United Nations has exhausted its model, and it is not all about reform. The XXI century claims deep changes that will only be possible if a new organization is founded. This UN does not work. We have to say it. It is the truth. These transformations – the ones Venezuela is referring to- have, according to us, two phases: The immediate phase and the aspiration phase, a utopia. The first is framed by the agreements that were signed in the old system. We do not run away from them. We even bring concrete proposals in that model for the short term. But the dream of an ever-lasting world peace, the dream of a world not ashamed by hunger, disease, illiteracy, extreme necessity, needs-apart from roots- to spread its wings to fly. We need to spread our wings and fly.


You know, you could take this statement and apply it almost every aspect of our existence that is governed by the institutions of corporatism. It could easily relate to the archaic system of labour relations.

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SharynS
Post Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:05 pm

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Documentary: Hugo The Boss (The Hour/CBC)

- Hugo the Boss, Part 1: http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/video.php?id=963
- Hugo the Boss, Part 2: http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/video.php?id=949
- Hugo the Boss, Part 3: http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/video.php?id=955
- Hugo the Boss, Part 4: http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/video.php?id=968

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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:19 pm

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I read somewhere that amazon.com has been deluged with orders for Chomsky's Hegemony or Survival.


Yep, it's now Numere Uno. Shocked

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Thanks to the Venezuelan president's surprise endorsement of ``Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance" during a vitriolic address at the United Nations on Wednesday , the paperback edition of Chomsky's 2003 book has catapulted to number one on Amazon.com's list of best sellers, ahead of such eternally popular authors as John Grisham and Lemony Snicket .


And here's a fresh idea! Intoducing the BUY-cott. Mr. Green

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rogead
Post Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:43 am

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The BBC asked Chomsky and former George Bush minion Otto Reich for their views on the growing trend of “Left-Leaning Leaders” in Latin America:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4813378.stm


This quote from Reich seems funny to me:

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The difference between [Brazilian president] Lula and Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, is that Lula is more focused on solving the problems of his own people, whereas Chavez is intervening in other country's affairs.


I'm sure that George W. Bush would never think of "intervening in other country's affairs"
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Elvis
Post Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:35 am

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I'm dissapointed in you guys. No one bothers to link the FOX video of the speech for the video-lovers among us? Rolling Eyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-c5PPIEziA

It's worth watching just for the laugh that the devil comment gets from what is essentially... THE REST OF THE WORLD.

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cmartin
Post Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:53 am

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Chavez is a huge question mark for me right now, is he just some glory hound looking for attention, or is he going to end up being some fanatical terrorist groupie who shells out millions of his country's oil money to support any kind of defiance towards the U.S no matter how twisted and murderous it may be?

I think I am leaning towards the latter at this point, but you never know!
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Elvis
Post Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:36 am

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cmartin is a huge question mark for me right now, is he just some glory hound looking for uncharted attention, or is he going to end up getting this thread locked down, continuing his recent streak, by being some fanatical and obnoxious Bush groupie who shells out one view created by millions of his mis-firing brain cells to counter any kind of defiance towards the U.S no matter how logical and truthful it may be?

I think I am leaning towards the latter at this point, but you never know!


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cmartin
Post Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:42 pm

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Why is it Elvis that after I read your post I could picture you stomping up a flight of stairs, slamming your bedroom door, and crying into your pillow?
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Post Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:04 pm

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cmartin wrote:
Why is it Elvis that after I read your post I could picture you stomping up a flight of stairs, slamming your bedroom door, and crying into your pillow?


mis-firing brain cells Rolling Eyes

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