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The Third Element
Post Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:23 pm

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I guess the turn over rate and the resultant integration of "virgins" into career employees puts a big twist in it.

It just seems shitty that "career" employees are getting the stick across the back because it has been decided that retail isn't meant for a career. Likely as a result of the shit contracts and majority of transient employees working through to something else.

There needs to be some sort of tiering system, way beyond seniority, that would give something more to the lifers, yet keep the entry jobs for the "passers through".

exraleys wrote:
I think the one who will split from the union will be Steve Burd. I would bet that his agenda is to totally remove the union form all Safeway stores. You may ask how? When all the old timers are gone and the new hires are the main workers, he will just ask for a decert of the union from his employees.


There's a lot more rules to meet than that, but in BC we can slice part of a BU out of the herd. One store would be doable but to what end? If the pool of workers is so huge that the pay rates would drop, (which they just might) then the career employees are out on their asses.

No, Siggy's answer makes sense to me I understand what it means to be of standing on the edge of the abyss staring down.

Something to think about while staring at the stucco ceiling at 3:30am.

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:32 am

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One store would be doable but to what end?
That would depend entirely on which union people chose to switch to.

Given ofg's ability, or what appears to be it's ability, to simply switch banners and install the lessor cba, which 1518 negotiated unbeknownst to anyone who has to work under it, now or in the future, and ufcw's inability to do dickshit about it now, it's becoming increasingly more difficult to find a down side.

I think it comes down to this devil or that devil, either way retail people are going to be dodging flames.

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:36 am

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Hey everyone I would like to share a email I received from a brother 588/8 member.

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Thank-you Laboryes for the important letter written by a member who experienced first hand the professionalism exhibited by individuals earning salaries well over a $100,000 a year. Salaries obtained through union members dues. In fact, I remember back in 1997, after Joe Ciotti and John Heise became experts in the many ways to harass members who were exercising their right to oppose the union leadership in a democratic election, coming into the Lucky store were I worked and having John Heise scream at me at the top his lungs while in the store's backroom the following phrase and excuse the English he chose to speak: "shut your 'fucking' mouth Frank." This was after I told them of my dissatisfaction in the way he was terrorizing my brother Jack and his family while driving his vehicle on their way to Church. Well the good news back then was that John Heise and Joe Ciotti were only making half of what they earn today. These two guys doubled their salaries since 1997. How well have the members fared since 1997?

Well what do you expect from "unionbusters?" Did you know unionbusters can sometimes be defined as individuals who will go out of their way to prevent employees of a company from having democratic elections?

What is Unionbusting? The term unionbusting describes the planned course of action to stop workers from organizing a union or to destroy a union already in the workplace. I think the Loveall's have done a good job destroying our union

However, these guys are more than just "unionbusters." These guys are sometimes referred to as low intelligent "thugs."

Frank


I'm working on another story(fact) about Joe Ciotti & John Heise and how they came to the aid of 10 women and 2 men who were being badly abused by a Lucky store manager.

See the problem with Joe Ciotti he has a big mouth and a problem keeping it shut! Our buddy Joe said a lot of things to people back in the day trying to be the "big man" the problem for Joe some of us didn't forget what was said!

I think Joe's big mouth may come back to haunt him! Twisted Evil

Don't ya just love the internet Joe? Laughing

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SharynS
Post Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:07 pm

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I think the Loveall's have done a good job destroying our union
I think what is happening between employers and ufcw can better be described as integration.
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#3. Psychology. The organization of the psychological or social traits and tendencies of a personality into a harmonious whole.
What else explains ufcw's full submission if not it's misguided agenda - as it will wash out the same as union-busting - but ufcw machineheads have been lured with a piece of the corporate pie.

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PearsonisaSheep
Post Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:51 pm

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exraleys wrote:
I found this on a website.The ones that are marked in bold can be applied to 588/8. I think girls rule wrote the best letter, Jacques should be ashamed and he needs to read these top ten reasons below and figure how to fix the ones I have in bold.



Top Ten Reasons Why I Don't Want A Union

10. The union doesn't write my paycheck.

9. Unions would rather cause problems than work together.

8. Union scale means the best workers are carrying the worst.
7. The people who want a union really need one.

6. Too corrupt.

5. Too political, too liberal and too partisan.

4. Unions are only about power and money for the ones who run the union.

3. Unions are negative about everything but how great they are.
2. I like to work steady.

1. I've got too much self respect.



BUMP!!!!!!!
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SharynS
Post Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:43 pm

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There needs to be some sort of tiering system, way beyond seniority, that would give something more to the lifers, yet keep the entry jobs for the "passers through".
Why would there need be anything set in stone - retail used to be a great career choice, it used to be you could choose to stay or choose to pass through - I saw no reason that had to change, but obviously the union and the employer saw something profitable in cutting people out of the equation.

The retail landscape has not changed, ofg still monopolizes the hog share, the company is expanding - the only difference is there's nothing to make them share any of it. Due in large part, if not entirely, to impotent submissive inept union leadership.

Do people want out - obviously it's pretty widespread.

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The Third Element
Post Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:40 am

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siggy wrote:
I think what is happening between employers and ufcw can better be described as integration.

Would that be *this* integration

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:23 am

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Mr. Green

pick a *tion*, any *tion*.
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...I understand what it means to be of standing on the edge of the abyss staring down.
How so 3E?

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The Third Element
Post Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:03 pm

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That feeling you get standing staring and staring at the same problem... when there just may be no solution except to leap and hope the chute opens.

I have faced it a number of times, as I am sure have many others. We have discussed on this forum what it is like to walk away from "security" and, in my case go to work for yourself.

I stared into that abyss for a long time before the jump.

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