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| yankeebythewater |
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:43 am
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Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 128 |
Well, ain't that all lovely and a bed of roses.
Hope you all have fresh water to drink, a roof over your head, and food on your tables. Taken from the book of Saturday, YBTW _________________ A Working Class Hero Is Something To Be ~ John Lennon |
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| SharynS |
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:06 am
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter |
Quote: Nothing more, nothing less! cm how do you know which scripture takes priority and when? By wishing death for so many don't you run the risk of invoking the "do unto others" unto yourself? And... since you brought up religion - according to biblical scripture - god also left some fairly stringent guidelines or conditions for the israelis - not to kill innocents, to treat their poor fairly and to remember how it felt to be treated as an alien and to not treat others as such. How the hell do you wash that down with the over the top bloodshed? _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| atuuschaaw |
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:53 am
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 781 Location: an ahwangan |
Quote: From The Lebanese People To The So Called "Civilized" West: "Thank You"! And to the FREE PEOPLE of the World:
Lebanese Civilians (Christians, Muslims, Druzes & Jews) Are being SLAUGHTERED! Do not turn your back on us and pressure your government to stop this genocide! The following banner will lead you to the e-petition: 
_________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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| Elvis |
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:00 pm
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Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 661 Location: Toronto |
Great pictures for a Sunday morning, atu.
I doubt cm follows your links, though. You gotta use a sledge hammer with him... The first is my favorite. I'm partial to happy children photos. 
_________________ Henri Ducard: Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share. Bruce Wayne: That's why it's so important. It separates us from them. |
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| atuuschaaw |
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:30 pm
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 781 Location: an ahwangan |
Yeah Elvis, suffering takes no days off I'm afraid, and Sunday is as good a day as any to show the joys of children I guess! 
As far as cm is concerned; if he/she can live with this and feels comfortable that this destruction is necessary, there's nothing I can say or do to change their mind. The bottom line is, each of us has to live with ourselves, and in all good consciousness there is absolutely no way I can condone this kind of slaughter. But that's just me and I'm only an uncivilized, unenlightened heathen! _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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| cmartin |
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:54 am
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Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 244 |
Quote: cm how do you know which scripture takes priority and when? By wishing death for so many don't you run the risk of invoking the "do unto others" unto yourself? Do you honestly believe that I am sitting in front of my t.v wringing my hands and waiting for the newest body count to be announced? 
I would like nothing more then for Israel to be able to co-exist with her neighbours in peace, but as long as the Arab nations that surround Israel refuse to acknowledge Israel's right to exist, there will not be peace of any kind. Israel did not start this latest conflict, and maybe their response does seem a little disproportionate, but IMO with all the crap that they have had to deal with over the years, perhaps this was just the straw that broke the camels back! |
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| Plutodog |
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:20 am
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Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 300 Location: Oregon |
Like talking to a brick wall -- fundamentalist religionists of every stripe, be they christian, muslim, jewish, or what have you. They claim their god has revealed all relevant truth to them and relieved them of any burden to deal with reason and/or reality. Probably about time to tie up this thread and put a bow on it. We'll get nowhere with it and we're really about workers issues so what the hay? There are thousands of other sites wherein one can argue religion until the Fifth Coming of the Great Pink Unicorn -- I'm partial to churchofreality.org -- So here's one vote to close this played out thread.
_________________ "I'm not a humanitarian,I'm a hell-raiser" -- Mother Jones |
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| timidsumo |
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:39 am
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Plutodog wrote: Like talking to a brick wall -- So here's one vote to close this played out thread. Well, I agree with you. But I think it is worth bearing in mind the powerlessness of the present Union movement in North America, which bears comparison to the situation of certain populations in the Middle East. There is much to be learned from real politics, and the Middle East and Afghanistan are where the shape of future politics is being worked out. |
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| atuuschaaw |
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:48 am
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Quote: Israel did not start this latest conflict, and maybe their response does seem a little disproportionate, but IMO with all the crap that they have had to deal with over the years, perhaps this was just the straw that broke the camels back! That Israeli camel has a very osteoporotic back! Seems it has had to endure many breaks in the past! Well let's see, there has been Operation Litani, then the world witnessed the 1982 Lebanon War, followed by Operation Accountability, with a curtain call labeled Operation Grapes of Wrath. Now we have, (depending on who you listen to), the Israel/Lebanon Conflict or the Israel/Lebanon War. Of course Israel hasn't announced the official name of the operation as yet. Or at least I haven't heard the label as yet! Some are speculating all of this has something to do with the U.S. idea of the Greater Middle East Initiative. Or could the ongoing dilema be attributed to the Middle East Partnership Initiative? Then again, some people are saying that both of the two mentioned initiatives are merely necessary attachments and the real foundation of the problems we now see can be attributed to the Middle East Free Trade Area. I suppose time will tell and the people will eventually hear the real reasons for all the atrocities we are witnessing. The ones of us who are still alive that is! Quote: Probably about time to tie up this thread and put a bow on it. We'll get nowhere with it and we're really about workers issues so what the hay? I agree with timidsumo, and I think there is much to be learned from these issues. The thread isn't about religion per se, but it is about people who are corralled without much choice. It's about people enduring hardships, disappointments, and even death because they have no say in their future. Since 90% of the earth's people seem to be workers, it just seems logical that the discussions within this thread "are" about worker's issues! Religion just happens to be one of the controls which keep the people separated and cools off unification. And if we can't rise above these social designs and corrals, we will go nowhere, and reform will remain just a hollow two-syllable word which doesn't mean shit, IMHO! _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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| SharynS |
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:23 pm
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter |
Quote: With all of the death and destruction you mentioned above, it brings a new beginning, a fresh start for those that are left. Quote: Do you honestly believe that I am sitting in front of my t.v wringing my hands and waiting for the newest body count to be announced? I agree with TS and AT. No amount of death, war or bloodshed is going to resolve the history. It hasn't so far. If the rest of the world put away their gut feelings or beliefs and en masse demanded a standstill then perhaps the sides would be forced to find the alternative solution. What's good for Lebanon and Israel is good for the rest of the world as well. The big question is are we smart enough and do we care enough to do that? blogging Beruit _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| Plutodog |
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:34 pm
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Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 300 Location: Oregon |
OK I agree at least in theory with TM and AT -- and maybe I've got more hope than is justified that we can resolve some core labor issues before we're ever going to resolve the god issues (or man fighting for concepts of god issues).
The thing we as labor activists, leaders, etc. need to keep in mind is that we've got workers who at least nominally fly all the god's flags and the corporates are not at all above cynically using god to help keep workers down. Are there other useful parallels between the violent idiocy going on in the ME and the plight/fight of labor? _________________ "I'm not a humanitarian,I'm a hell-raiser" -- Mother Jones |
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