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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:51 am

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As Israel and Lebanon continue to turn the possibility of WW III into a reality, the president of the world's super power refuses to call for a cease-fire. Meanwhile, strategists predict that Israel will most probably initiate a pre-emptive strike against Syria. What a wonderful world we live in! Sure are some real intelligent world leaders out there!

Robert Fisk has reported on what he has seen since the Israeli war on terror was begun and as usual, war doesn't discriminate, and women and children continue to suffer from the boys with the "little dick syndrome"! When and how will the real people of this world run these fakes out of their positions of power?

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SharynS
Post Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:15 am

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I haven't heard where President Harper is on this issue (he's a simple prime minister but he likes it when you call him president).

Of course bush isn't going to call for a cease fire, the deaths of thousands more in the mid east plays into his terror strategy doesn't it? And it would also shine one hell of a huge ugly light on his own agenda and actions. He's caught between a rocket and a hard point.

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wm pasz
Post Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:23 pm

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Our PM has come out swinging for Israel.

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SharynS
Post Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:43 pm

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Who knew eh.
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Sinora is seen as friendly to the United States. The Bush administration has urged him to disarm Hezbollah through a process of national reconciliation.

Rice asked Sinora to exercise what influence his government has to secure the freedom of the soldiers captured on Wednesday.
...like white on Rice. Rolling Eyes

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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:08 pm

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Oh yeah! 'Ol Steve and George are new bestest friends. And let us not forget the new Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. Peas in a pod these two!
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President George W. Bush knew well what he was doing when he rolled out the red carpet for the young new Canadian leader at the White House Thursday. For, after only half a year in office and constrained by his Conservative party’s lack of an overall majority in the Canadian House of Commons, Harper has already shown himself a loyal friend of the United States who shares the Bush administration’s strategic concerns akin to Britain’s Tony Blair and Japan’s Junichiro Koizumi.


And in case you haven't heard, there have been 8 Canadians Killed in an Israeli Airstrike.

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yankeebythewater
Post Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:25 pm

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Welcome to the New World Order

The Home of the Brave, The Land of the Free.

Yep, you gotta love it...

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cmartin
Post Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:15 am

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All Hezbolla has to do is release the kidnapped soldiers and stop firing rockets into Israel, and the whole damn thing will stop!

Problem with that is, it is not their country that Israel is bombing in retaliation, so what the fuck do they care?

The Lebonize government needs to grow some balls and kick that damn terrorist group out of their country, but if they do that Iran and Syria will not look kindly at them.

There are some people who believe Hezbolla has not yet broken out their more sophisticated rockets capable of possibly hitting Tel Aviv, if that ever happens it will more then likely trigger all out war.
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SharynS
Post Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:19 am

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Problem with that is, it is not their country that Israel is bombing in retaliation, so what the fuck do they care?
Then how does bombing an entire unrelated population resolve the issue? What's the justification threshold anyway - for every 2 a thousand innocents die? Rolling Eyes

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timidsumo
Post Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:29 am

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siggy wrote:
Then how does bombing an entire unrelated population resolve the issue? What's the justification threshold anyway - for every 2 a thousand innocents die?


Well, yes. Isn't this what "terrorism" is? If you don't have the capability to kill the persons you hate, you kill random innocents, so that people will fear you. It seems to me to be a bad idea, whoever does it. Time we had a war on it.

It does seem notable that the U.S. and Israel, which have adopted this policy of terrorism, have never looked weaker as a consequence. It seems that a moral and ethical foundation really means something in today's world.
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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:39 am

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The Syria card will trump the Lebanon card:
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The London-based Arabic language newspaper Al-Hayat reported Saturday that “Washington has information according to which Israel gave Damascus 72 hours to stop Hizbullah’s activity along the Lebanon-Israel border and bring about the release the two kidnapped IDF soldiers or it would launch an offensive with disastrous consequences.”


And more eye-witness reports from Robert Fisk.
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The beautiful viaduct that soars over the mountainside here has become a "terrorist" target. The Israelis attacked the international highway from Beirut to Damascus just after dawn yesterday and dropped a bomb clean through the central span of the Italian-built bridge a symbol of Lebanon's co-operation with the European Union sending concrete crashing hundreds of feet down into the valley beneath. It was the pride of the murdered ex-prime minister Rafik Hariri, the face of a new, emergent Lebanon. And now it is a "terrorist" target.


And last but not least, what exactly is the real aim of the Israeli government?
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The calculation now is that if the Israeli Air Force rains heavy enough blows on the Lebanese population - paralysing the sea- and airports, destroying the infrastructure, bombarding residential neighborhoods, cutting the Beirut-Damascus highroad etc. - the public will get furious with Hizbullah and pressure the Lebanese government into fulfilling Israel's demands. Since the present government cannot even dream of doing so, a dictatorship will be set up with Israel's support.


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cmartin
Post Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:35 pm

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Then how does bombing an entire unrelated population resolve the issue? What's the justification threshold anyway - for every 2 a thousand innocents die?


Unfortunatly the Hezbollah terrorists are using civilian neighborhoods to launch their rocket attacks from, which does make any counter attack very difficult.

Unlike Hezbollah shooting rockets blindly into Israel and just hoping to hit something filled with people, Israel is trying to focus their attacks on Terrorist outposts and infrastucture.

It stinks that innocent people have and will continue to lose their live's in this war, but remember that one side is trying to kill members of a well known terror group, and the other side just wants to kill as many innocent people as it can.

The onus is on Hezbollah and Hammas to end this by returning the Israeli soldiers, and stop firing rockets into Israel, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
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SharynS
Post Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:25 pm

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The onus is on Hezbollah and Hammas to end this by returning the Israeli soldiers, and stop firing rockets into Israel,...
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The calculation now is that if the Israeli Air Force rains heavy enough blows on the Lebanese population - paralysing the sea- and airports, destroying the infrastructure, bombarding residential neighborhoods, cutting the Beirut-Damascus highroad etc. - the public will get furious with Hizbullah and pressure the Lebanese government into fulfilling Israel's demands. Since the present government cannot even dream of doing so, a dictatorship will be set up with Israel's support
hmmmm....
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The onus is on Hezbollah and Hammas to end this by returning the Israeli soldiers, and stop firing rockets into Israel, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
So you think the hizbullah should cave to terrorist attacks cm?

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Elvis
Post Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:33 pm

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Just wanted to throw this Bush/Blair exchange in...

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/07/17/russia.g8.bushexpletive/index.html

It's refreshing to here un-spun conversations. Maybe GWB is starting to go Nixon on us!

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Elvis
Post Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:31 pm

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Here's the audio... http://podcast.knx1070.com/knx/20670.mp3

CNN's take above, seems like almost reluctant coverage. Here's a better take (google news bush-blair-microphone for a thousand others)... Yo, Blair

Coca-Cola is loving this!

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cmartin
Post Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:21 am

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So you think the hizbullah should cave to terrorist attacks cm?



Hezbollah/Hizbullah is a TERRORIST group that has set been allowed to set up shop in Lebenon.

That group made the choice to snatch Israeli soldiers from their own country, and then started lobbing rockets into Israel with the intention of killing as many people as possible.

Hezbollah has apparently done this in retaliation to Israel's response to Hammas grabing an Israeli soldier from his post a couple of weeks ago.

Two things stand out to me siggy, 1. Hammas started their scuffle with Israel by kidnapping a soldier. 2. Hezbollah started a bigger scuffle that could escalate to war by kidnapping 2 soldiers.

Do you see the pattern there?

If the soldiers are released and the rocket attacks stop, and Israel does not stop their offensive,then every critic on the planet would be justified in condeming Israel's actions, but as long as Hezbollah refuses to take that first step, the offensive will continue and more people will die!
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