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SharynS	Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:05 am
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2883 Location: the 'puter	The moles can pop in and out the dirt and delay the inevitable all they want, pension fraud doesn't fade with time. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie
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wm pasz	Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:53 pm
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1219 Location: Toronto	Another court date has come and gone for the CCWIPP boys (and Lucy). Today at Toronto's Old City Hall court, the long list of charges (which never fails to prompt expressions of surprise from court officials and gawkers) was put over to November 2, 2006, 9:00 a.m. in court room C. A legal agent appearing for the firm of Cooper, Sandler and West which is representing the CCWIPP crew, said that the matter will then be "spoken to" - a court room euphamism that seems to translate into "we don't really know what the fuck we're going to do but we know we're gonna say somethin'". In response to the judge's question about whether a trial date will be set on Nov. 2nd, she mumbled something about how "discussions are ongoing" (between the CCWIPP crew's lawyers and the FSCO). The FSCO representative stated that the CCWIPP legal team has received disclosure of information that the FSCO will be relying on, we have to wonder if the CCWIPP crew is just dragging its feet to delay having to drag their sorry asses into the court room and face the music. I think that's what they're up to. I sure hope that the FSCO isn't looking at cutting some kind of deal with these pathetic excuses for pension trustees. I still don't have a world of confidence in these guys. At any rate, we'll be back in court to follow the drama as it unfolds on Nov. 2. For those who were wondering, there was no sign of any of the CCWIPP shits in court today. Not even Wayne the Koala. I am the koala, goo goo g'joob [/quote] _________________ Time is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. Truth is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. You don't need anything else. - Malcolm X
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wm pasz	Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:31 pm
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1219 Location: Toronto	I think someone asked what UFCW reps were telling the members about what's going on at ccwipp. Check out page 9 of this fan-zine put out by Local 1977. You'd swear things were going just great! Lots of good useable pics in this glossy thing too. _________________ Time is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. Truth is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. You don't need anything else. - Malcolm X
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weiser	Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:01 pm
Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 190 Location: Chilliwack	What a load of manipulated rubbish. The front cover sets the tone. Ninety-five years of retail and union experience. What purpose does that figure serve? I suppose it's supposed to relate to some sort of competency level. For their ages and backgrounds, they are actually quite normal. As for the figures on the CCWIPP--they're laughable.
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wm pasz	Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:12 pm
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1219 Location: Toronto	The next court date is Thursday, Feb. 15 at 9 a.m., Old City Hall, Courtroom C. _________________ Time is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. Truth is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. You don't need anything else. - Malcolm X
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taffy	Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:21 am
Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 104	I was an elected rep on several negotiating commitees and a few of of those we had hot and heavy meetings on pension, the last one without a lot of detail we discussed the plan surplas/ the union(ufcw) and the Co. joined forces to give the commitee so much B.S. that all but a few were so confused by the numbers, that it was./ do you believe them or us,(us being a few members on the commitee) and they denied there was surplass in the plan but would not produce any documents, it was quote# if we are wrong(ufcw and AP) prove it#,when we requested the finacial reports, quote# #they were not up to date## The plan members are now seeing the corruption of the UFCW, and if no one speaks up NOW the plan will be in deficit and the deal with the trustees wil be to cut benefits and not increase cost to the Co.s for a lot of worker,s pension seem,s like a non issue, this is where good union,s protect rights, or also in the case of the UFCW take advantage. The FSCO will rule case law the trustee,s did not profit and/or not guilty of any of the other violations, they may even rule there was some negligence but not intentional. They lost pension funds WHY ARE THEY STILL THERE. When it is negotiated that $m of dollars go into a pension that could still see cut,s to benefits why are the members not upset? they still believe the ufcw represents THEM if the FSCO comes down with anything less than a convivtion the ufcw spin doc,s will turn this into a win for them, AND SO ON ON ON ON
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SharynS	Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:18 pm
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2883 Location: the 'puter	Quote: When it is negotiated that $m of dollars go into a pension that could still see cut,s to benefits why are the members not upset? Besides that it looks and is for the most part out of people's direct control - I think many people don't see or understand pension benefits as 'their' money. It's money never in one's personal possession. We don't get to see it, touch it or even glimpse the numbers, so I think it's very easy for people not to be connected to the money. The more ccwipp and other pension scams which can be exposed, then I think the more people understand that it is their money. That they have a right to know who's babysitting the money and how. The more questions, the more answers. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie
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wm pasz	Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:57 pm
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1219 Location: Toronto	Part of the problem here is that you have institutions (the FSCO, the UFCW, the CCWIPP board of trustees, the law firms, the pension consulting firms and so on) basically supporting each other in a battle against the little guys - the citizens who they're supposed to be protecting. This is because the people who run those institutions have a lot in common with each other and little in common with "the people". The FSCO is chock full of overpaid self-important ladder-climbers who like rubbing elbows with other guys in suits. The enjoy the attention, the invitations to speak at conferences, the pats on the back and sucking up. Some of them figure that when they retire, maybe they'll land some lucrative consulting gigs with these guys or some other guys. Coming down heavy on them is going to dampen their chances of ever doing that so they're doing their best to help their pals. They're all so disgusting. Blowing the lid off the whole rancid operation and embarrassing them is something that might make them do the right thing - as there's one thing they hate more than pissing off their friends: Being made to look like idiots. _________________ Time is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. Truth is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. You don't need anything else. - Malcolm X
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taffy	Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:23 am
Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 104	I was in a hurry has usual and should have checked my last message, it did not make sense on re-reading, suffice to say the ufcw are corrupt the employer will use any means to protect their investment, and the goverment just wishes to survive. 20 + years ago when we first realized that pension,s were a lucrative item for union,s, and members did not fully realize the $ value, we sought goverment advice, and to be honest it was alway,s factual and helpfull,there view was# has a union member you elect (in some case,s) your represntive, the goverment feel you have a certain obligation to to your self to protect your own interest. So legislation will not protect you from bad union,s that is your responsibility, but will protect the goverment from paying for inept investments by corrupt union,s If a plan while in defecit, can with the union and employer working together make the plan viable, the goverment will side with the union and employer, the union is the representive of the worker, if both parties are in agreement the goverment are content. Do not be surprised at the hearing results on the 15th, only when the the worker,s decide to change things will it happen
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