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| unionnow |
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:25 am
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Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail |
Currently everyone is off to a meeting in St. Louis to plan National stragedy.
In other words, the UFCW is going to ask for a national dues assesment from the members to spend as they see fit in the upcoming series of contracts that are coming due. Surely they have some feckless plan that they want to waste money on instead of letting the locals take the lead in their areas and then using their existing staff to coorinate and join forces. No doubt the non organizing Locals like 588 (  will get some more money flowing in from the International while the hard working smaller locals get the shaft.
Build up the dues sucking police force and the self interested quadrupal dipping retired Former President/Advisor. The other Presidents are thinking, Gee that sounds like a great idea. I think I will retire and keep sucking down more money. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2) |
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| Pearson |
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:10 am
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Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1417 Location: Sun City AZ |
Too bad, the boys didn't invite me to St Louis, i coulda helped them out on this one. Funny though, i never ever liked the gatherings. Seemed like way too much time was spent on all the other stuff (food, booze,golf and cards) rather than the business at hand.
Here's the deal: Joe Hansen need step up to the podium and announce all the biz union trappings are gone forever more. All salaries for staff and officers will be capped at a reasonable number. All trips will be cancelled unless they are 100% working meetings. They will immediately adopt the agreement put together by Rogead and place members at the forefront of every single thing they do. They will clean house of all the self dealing leaders who have created their own little kingdoms. And thats just for starters. _________________ If we don't do it, who will? |
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| loonietunes |
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:40 am
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Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 1210 |
BP--
Good Point- -all of the people that could help Hansen fix this mess are here on this Blog-- --Go Figure-- LT |
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| SFway |
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:35 pm
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Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 573 |
Morning, all
This just in from the St Louis convocation, an unofficial report: there is no "national strategy" but we are going to collect the dues increase". Go figure. |
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| Pearson |
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:41 pm
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Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1417 Location: Sun City AZ |
Quote: This just in from the St Louis convocation, an unofficial report: there is no "national strategy" but we are going to collect the dues increase". Say it ain't so Sfw, tell me you're pulling our puds. Tell me this is an April Fools joke, wait can't be, it's June 23. These idiots have been down this road a dozen times before...They have no clue what to do so they always revert to the same old idiocy: Take more money from the members. Fucking pathetic! _________________ If we don't do it, who will? |
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| SFway |
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:51 am
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Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 573 |
Well, Sir, that is, at this juncture, the master plan.
As the song goes: "Meet the new boss; same as the old boss..." What they fail to recognize is that "...We won't get fooled again." An IU rep told me during our contract negotiations that "...we are in a period of concessionary bargaining" The IU is in a period of concessionary bargaining because they put themselves in such a condition. I was not then, and am not now, in the mood to concede a goddamn thing. |
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| Pearson |
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:30 pm
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Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1417 Location: Sun City AZ |
Besides the money pit thing with the members dough Sfw, have they done anything else to prepare for the onslaught? Are they setting strategies for co-ordinated bargaining across California? Across the US and Canada? Are they building networks to ensure they can cripple an employer in any given city at any given moment? Are they getting members geared up for the fight of their lives?
Seems to me they should have learned valuable lessons from their pathetic lack of preperation last time around. Hell, all they had to do was read the multitude of articles critical of their lameness. But then why would they? As i recall Dority proclaimed the strike a huge victory before he slunk into the nite with his half a million dollar bonus for a job well done. Fill us in please...and i do like your attitude. Just be careful where you wear it. Some of the boys from DC may not appreciate that fighting spirit. _________________ If we don't do it, who will? |
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| GRUMPY |
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:55 pm
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Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Posts: 198 |
Hey Bill, you better pinch yourself. I think you are dreaming.
Even if they did have a plan, do you think those "fat rats" would share the plan with the rank & file members ? |
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| Laboryes |
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:49 pm
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Quote: Hey Bill, you better pinch yourself. I think you are dreaming.
Even if they did have a plan, do you think those "fat rats" would share the plan with the rank & file members ? Hey Grumpy! Here is the problem these "Fat Rats" running our union have been in the corporate beds so long they don't have any clue how to put together any kind of "National Strategy" to really take on grocery corporate. They don't want to upset their golf buddies but now the members are wise to their evil ways! As LT would say! Oh my my what a mess! _________________ "When people refuse to obey, then democracy comes alive." Howard Zinn |
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| unionnow |
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:00 pm
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Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail |
Quote: Are they setting strategies for co-ordinated bargaining across California? Across the US and Canada? They will not allow coordinate bargaining or coordinated bargaining strategies. They are thinking more like a series of isolated semi corporate campaigns region by region. They proposed by funding them with a 5 dollar a month dues assessments for all members. If one area was to go on strike then all UFCW members would pay an extra $5 a week for a strike fund. All monies would go to the International first. It went over pretty badly at the meeting. Most think they are trying to take from the locals and feed the national organization. It’s pretty sad. A cheap simple fix like regional coordinated bargaining or even bi regional coordinated bargaining is a no brainier. Imaging Local 588 coordinating with the Bay and Southern California coordinating with the rest of the state. All this tells me is that they are taking us lower to compete with non-union competition. It’s the total opposite of their mission statement. I think I am going to shoot some e-mails to some anti union orgs to asking for a suit against the International for completely failing in what they were organized to accomplish. What do you think? Here is language from their own goals and objectives: The object of this International Union shall be the elevation of the position of its members and further:...to organize, unite, and assist persons....for the purpose of improving wages, hours, benefits, and working conditions on local, national, or international levels;...to protect and extend democratic institutions, civil rights and liberties, and the traditions of social and economic justice of the United States and Canada;... to protect and preserve the International Union as an institution and to perform its legal and contractual obligations; to protect the International Union and all of its chartered bodies from any and all corrupt influences and from the undermining efforts of all who are opposed to the basic principles of democracy and democratic unionism; to take all steps and actions, which are reasonable and proper, to promote the welfare and interests of its members, of workers within its jurisdiction,...and to support and encourage such other objectives for which working people may lawfully combine for their mutual protection and benefit. What a bunch of hocus pocus. Their motto should be Solidarity Works! as long as we dont have to _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2) |
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| Pearson |
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:37 pm
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Quote: What do you think?
I think this is the most lame bunch of do nothing dummies ever to hold office. I think it is embarassing to have leaders who think the solution is charge members more money and hope they don't crash and burn and lose their own good deals. I think it is shameful they don't have the balls to draw a line in the sand, look the employers in the eye and say NO FUCKING MORE. It is simply beyond comprehension they refuse to use the clout and the muscle they talked of when the Amalgamted and the Clerks were born. The whole damn contention was to keep this from happening. They saw these large companies being formed and knew it would take size to keep them from running them over. Lets face it; the whole point of this charade is to keep dues flowing. If members/workers take a shit kicking, too bad. The reality is the only way these guys keep their own fat salaries and awesome benefits going is by selling off bits and pieces of the members contract. One last thing UN, i think anything and i mean ANYTHING we can do to stop these idiots from more of the same old shit is a great idea. _________________ If we don't do it, who will? |
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| SharynS |
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:44 pm
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter |
Quote: They will not allow coordinate bargaining or coordinated bargaining strategies. They are thinking more like a series of isolated semi corporate campaigns region by region. What the fucktards are doing is breaking down any real chance of any major labour dispute - divide and conquer. They are assisting corporatists to legislate union workers into poverty. In return, the employers have given them their word, that they can live on. The big stipulation is that they must remain the silent partner, grit their teeth and bear down on the lobster. Don't believe me? Check out what andy full_o_shit stern (a_foss) told the brookings institute (apparently the institute does research to help shape the future. gawd help us if they're listening to a_foss. A_foss pretty much plead the business cause - poor business suffering under high health care costs yadda yadda. ufcw is a monkey see monkey do organization. It attaches itself to whatever looks like the next gravy train. So you can pretty much all bet your meager paychecks that it's also ufcw's next pet project. What a bunch of fuckards, did I say that already. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie Last edited by SharynS on Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:21 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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| unionnow |
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:22 pm
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Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail |
Quote: You almost make it sound strategic. It just making them take the first steps to fighting as a union rather than the employers fighting piecemeal. We know now it’s not possible nor will it ever be with this International. Oklahoma, here we come. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2) |
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| SharynS |
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:06 pm
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter |
Quote: It just making them take the first steps to fighting as a union rather than the employers fighting piecemeal. What the union troughers don't seem to understand is that instead of being handed the keys to big boy's room, they will be handed their asses on plank. It's the workers who will ultimately pay. Please, I have not an ounce of faith in the ufcw organization. It's proven time and time again that it cannot and will not represent workers. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| unionnow |
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:56 am
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Its that bad.
Do they realize that the ultimate goal of the employers is to eliminate them completely? Have the plumbed the depths of hatred that the employers really have for them while they go on with their “the survival of the organization comes first strategy”? Now the line at the locals is “we are not in the business of providing healthcare. Let the companies or the government do that. We will focus on better work rules and contract language” Do they understand that the companies hate having another entity (union) telling them what they can do with their employees? Their drive is to weaken the UFCW by attacking the benefits. The vacation fund is gone. Industry time is worthless. The IMAP funds are no more for new hires and receive no contributions for existing members. Pensions will be company controlled 401ks. They have lead the assault on that in Congress for years. If you are under 40 they can convert your pension to a 401 while you lose 50% of it to the conversion process The government and or the employer will control healthcare. Currently they are moving toward that in negations (the new word for negotiations) for instant recognition of non union shops. These UFCW clucks think they can survive on just contract language, par wages with non union shops and work rules. How long will we stay UFCW certified under that schematic? They have further to fall and the word is they are going there faster than ever. Its do or die time now, not ten years from now. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2) |
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