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Laboryes
Post Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:30 am

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David Ray Griffin: Theologian scoffed at 9/11 conspiracy theories, then looked closer


When David Ray Griffin, noted theologian and professor emeritus at the Claremont School of Theology, first heard someone say that Sept. 11 was an inside job, he scoffed.

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Laboryes, please stop posting copyrighted works in their entirety.

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SharynS
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and the poorly planned targeting of the West Wing of the Pentagon ("all the important people are in the East Wing -- it doesn't make any sense").
Loose Change 9/11 - you might want to get the popcorn before you click on the video.

cm, I'm especially interested to hear your reaction to the film - the question - how is it possible? Smile

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timidsumo
Post Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:28 am

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siggy wrote:

the question - how is it possible? Smile


?? How is what possible?
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SharynS
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?? How is what possible?
Didn't you watch the film?

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timidsumo
Post Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:50 am

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siggy wrote:
Didn't you watch the film?


Well, yes, but, what is the problem?
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timidsumo
Post Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:48 am

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For what it's worth, Noam Chomsky is quoted as saying the following (at http://globalresearch.ca/articles/STR505A.htm ):-

"There's by now a small industry on the thesis that the administration had something to do with 9-11. I've looked at some of it, and have often been asked. There's a weak thesis that is possible though extremely unlikely in my opinion, and a strong thesis that is close to inconceivable. The weak thesis is that they knew, and didn't try to stop it. The strong thesis is that they were actually involved. The evidence for either thesis is, in my opinion, based on a failure to understand properly what evidence is."

I don't follow his argument.

On another point, the physics professor from BYU goes on about the use of thermite for melting steel beams. That looks to me like disinformation. The standard substance for doing the job is solid rocket propellant, which gives off volumes of gas as seen in the videos of the scene. Maybe he has a grant from Morton Thiokol.
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Post Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:48 pm

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and the poorly planned targeting of the West Wing of the Pentagon ("all the important people are in the East Wing -- it doesn't make any sense").


I think the pentagon was a secondary target. The White House was the primary target. The terrorist pilot could not find the White house so he rammed the pentagon (five sided symbol of Satan) as a target of opportunity.


Funny thing, who was the only person left behind in the White House when it was evacuated before the strike on the Pentagon?

It was none other than Richard Clarke, who was ignored by the bushies. He went on to write and speak about how the bushies ignored serious signs terrorism in the US.

Funny how he was the guy told to stay in the white house when it was the primary target. The only guy not a bushie "team player".


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The terrorist pilot could not find the White house so he rammed the pentagon
What evidence is there that it was a jet plane (and suicide pilot) that hit into the pentagon?

I think the real "theorists" are those who choose to ignore what they see in favour of that which they want to see. And the real "idealists" are those who can maintain an "american dream" in the midst of a global disaster.

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:21 pm

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What evidence is there that it was a jet plane (and suicide pilot) that hit into the pentagon?


Believe it or not the Pentagon is surrounded by many cameras filming 24/7 and also has many ported surface to air missiles designed into the surroundings. Most passersby have no idea they exist.

I saw a beautiful film from one of the many cameras that surround the Pentagon of the jet coming in at very low level and at very high speed knocking down telephone poles as it came in close for the kill. The 767 was in full view the whole time.

They quit showing the film after the first days of the attack. My guess is that they are going to let the conspiracy people hang themselves for a number of years then show the film.

Its there. There are more devices around these buildings than you could ever imagine. I have seen cars park then be lowered into the ground.






As far as the "American dream" It existed by sucking cheap raw materials out of third world countries and did so by maintaining nut cake right wing leaders who ran death squads to keep the flow of cheap goods for our insatiable appetite for crass commercial goods.

They also served to keep the Red menace at bay. Those were the people who thought they should get a square deal for their raw materials.

Copper from Chile, oil from the Mideast, bananas from Central America, cocaine from South America, Canals from Panama, Pineapples and fruits from the Southern Philippines, sugar (and heroin) from the Dominican Republic, whole hosts of raw materials (chromium, gold, diamonds and now oil) from Africa and other regions as well.

Its over baby, now you have to share with the emerging new powers in the world.

We believe in preserving our lands while raping others. We believe in War as long as the bombs don’t drop on our heads. War is OK as long as you don’t see the real costs of war on TV every night. We have to censor that in our free society. Cluster bombs and depleted uranium is bad for our neighborhoods but OK for others as long as it brings Democracy.

What a bunch of Saps we are. 300 million people and all we can find is clowns to run the country.

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Believe it or not...

I saw a beautiful film from one of the many cameras that surround the Pentagon of the jet coming in at very low level and at very high speed knocking down telephone poles as it came in close for the kill. The 767 was in full view the whole time.
Not. Unless of course it was Superjet, well then that's diff.

The descent must have been spectacular and kind of out of this world huh? Too bad nobody saw it. But from a cruising altitude of over 30 thousand ft. to a perfect horizontal, straight at'em, near ground level, "high speed", at_the_pentagon trajection in so precious little time and visible only through state of the art yard cams...?

It must have been the jet plane's shear determination to overcome crashing into "telephone poles" and other earthly objects - stuff that would normally cripple an attack plan and/or prematurely crash your run of the mill everyday jet planes.

Hundreds (thousands) of after-shots that the world saw, clearly showed little if any anterior damage and there appears to be no tell-tale jet remains - how so?

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unionnow
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The descent must have been spectacular and kind of out of this world huh?


Too bad you never spent any time any the military. Seen it happen. Jets screaming in at treetop height.

It was a difficult maneuver but it did happen, its on film and they will probably release it again someday.

They have to fly low to land at 160 mph. They can fly low at higher speeds as well. That’s not beyond the realm of physics. The 767 has two of the most powerfull jet engines in the world.

Have you ever seen one take off? What are the flight characteristics compared to a 747 on takeoff?

Inertia, speed and the close proximity of the target would not cause a few wires and poles to stop the impact.

I think most people who believe that it did not happen are stretching their world of life experience and relying on other views.

The film does exist, I saw it and it was pulled from the media after a few days.

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timidsumo
Post Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:06 am

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siggy wrote:
Hundreds (thousands) of after-shots that the world saw, clearly showed little if any anterior damage and there appears to be no tell-tale jet remains - how so?


I just finished reading Griffin's book "The New Pearl Harbor". A great read that answers your question and many others. Highly recommended.
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TNT
Post Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:29 am

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the story that was recorded in the "Washington Post" the next day, was that the hole in the Pentagon was five stories high and 200 feet wide. That is about the size of a hole of a 757 would create, and yet a photograph was taken by a marine that shows that the hole was only 18 feet in diameter.


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how could a commercial aircraft attack the Pentagon, which has to be the most defended place on the face of the earth? It is surrounded by batteries of missiles which are geared to attack any aircraft that does not have a friendly transponder. Only a military aircraft would have a friendly transponder. The very fact that whatever hit the Pentagon was not shot down suggests very strongly that whatever it was, it was not a commercial aircraft


http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/26/150221
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SharynS
Post Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:01 am

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They quit showing the film after the first days of the attack. My guess is that they are going to let the conspiracy people hang themselves for a number of years then show the film.
Interesting comment UN, what would be the difference between a government which manipulates or secrets evidence to it's own end and one which masterminds evidence to it's own end?

In both instances the outcome would be a fabrication. That begs the question to what end?

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