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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:56 pm

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Again AT, I don’t see or hear anything of the sort of Nationalism that you’re talking about

I guess it's difficult to hear and recognize the nationalistic rhetoric when one lives the nationalistic life? I don't know if that's the case, but I do know I can recognize and hear it just fine!
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Nationalism and jingoism is not the abstraction of the time except in the minds of paranoid Liberals

No, it's the nationalistic, jingoistic, flag waving, stand behind our prez no matter what, philosophical, theoretical, irrational kind of minds which are paranoid about losing power in what they believe to be a perfect social system.
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If my spell check doesn’t recognize it, it must not exist.

You really need to update M.

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SharynS
Post Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:34 pm

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Location: the 'puter 		Okay Mull I got it - according to your "modern Liberal idealology" conspiracy theory, we should fear liberalism more than conservatism. The only problem is that you've left out the who, the why and the "to what end"? Without qualified answers to those very important questions it all reads exactly like "the devil we know" scare mongering jibberish.

BTW Mull, if you cut the legs of your bed you won't have to worry about the boogieman anymore. Rolling Eyes

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Mulligan
Post Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:12 am

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…you've left out the who, the why and the "to what end"?


I just explained the ‘who,’ and the ‘why,’ and the ‘end.’ Weren’t you reading?

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The ‘it’ that you’re wondering about is modern Liberal ideology.”

The ‘end purpose’ that you asked about, is clearly to remove all opposition to Marxist belief, which originated with Marx and, over the years, was updated and continued by his many, many adherents.


I’d offer a short bibliography on this stuff that is, in fact, taught in university grad school Cultural Theory classes from Princeton to ‘Last Chance U, all across the US, but I’m not sure we’re gonna get past the fundamentals of reading comprehension here.

In fact, forget about the bibliography, go to Wikipedia and look up the term ‘Critical Theory’ and go from there.

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No, it's the nationalistic, jingoistic, flag waving, stand behind our prez no matter what, philosophical, theoretical, irrational kind of minds which are paranoid about losing power in what they believe to be a perfect social system.



You’re a trip, AT. But that’s all right. There’s lotsa more stuff in your article that I’m thinking about.

I’m looking at national approval levels that are hovering just at, or under 30% for this president. Only Truman and Nixon had approval ratings of less than that. Thirty percent or less is not a real good sign of public approval in case you haven’t been paying attention.

Seventy-five percent of those polled in the US disapprove of the current policy on immigration and this administration’s handling of it. Even Hannity, clearly an admirer of this president, televises nightly in front of an audience of millions and declares disapproval. O’Reilly, in the number one spot, does the same. Do you believe that they don’t influence the thinking of vast numbers of people?

The price of gas is not helping this administration much either, although there’s not much that can be done about it anyway.

So where are the “nationalistic, jingoistic, flag waving, crowds of people you are talking about? Are they on TV? In the streets? In the media? Where?

That’s what I mean; this is too much trouble.

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SharynS
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I just explained the ‘who,’ and the ‘why,’ and the ‘end.’ Weren’t you reading?
Well yes I tried very hard to read it but that aside; what I think you did was, recite institutionalized Marxist hype.
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The ‘end purpose’ that you asked about, is clearly to remove all opposition to Marxist belief,...
Let's assume for one minute that your c-theory has merit. Let's postulate (big word for a country girl huh Mull) that the marxist ideology wins out and the current clump of world dominators are deposed and their institutions destroyed - what then?

I didn't go to no harvard or no princeton so you'll have to help me out Mull, what happens when "all opposition to Marxist belief" is removed?

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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:21 am

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You’re a trip, AT.

Thanks M, I do try! Twisted Evil

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I didn't go to no harvard or no princeton so you'll have to help me out Mull



In order for the identity of nationalism to remain pure and even exist, some form of genocide is required. And racism, militarism, or some form of xenophobia will accompany and add fuel to the false righteousness of the genocide. And once nationalism rises to the top, it requires or even demands proof of patriotism..."You're either with us or you're against us"...magnetic support our troops ribbons on your trucks and cars...build walls and fences on your borders...flags in your front yard...flag pins in your lapels and on your ties...and even the mall photographers offer a flag background for the shot of the two year olds for proof that his/her parents are patriotic! You must prove that you support your country through these meaningless thoughtless little acts or else be ostracized by the supporters, who must remain loyal to the cause, and chastise those who aren't. To do less would be admitting to being an accessory to the atrocities of genocide.

While it's true that the approval ratings for the prez have fallen off, due in large part I believe to the availability of knowledge I mentioned before, what has that to do with nationalism? It's merely subsided and is hiding in the shadows due to the loss of faith in it's icon. It's still there waiting to be stirred up and rallyed around a cause once again through multi-million dollar public relations managers who set up photo-ops and staged sets for the corporate media and turn the country's top leaders into nothing more than B movie actors/actresses. Nationalism has no political boundaries and it moves back and forth between republican and democratic ranks with ease. You see nationalism requires absolutely no independent thought, only the willingness to follow.

The people of the U.S. have been taught from an early age that our nation is different from all others. Our nation is an exception in the world, uniquely moral, more civilized, and willing to share and spread our more civilized form of liberty and democracy with other parts of the world. Whether they want it or not! The early settlers to this land layed the foundation of these beliefs when they destroyed the Pequots in Massachusetts Bay. And they were righteous in the killing because God approved of the taking of their lands. All that was required to justify the genocide was one verse out of Psalms: "Ask of me, and I shall give thee, the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the Earth for thy possession." Manifest Destiny was born and Divine Providence was it's sword! We've been wielding that sword ever since and nationalism has been the self-righteous manifesto.

If we are going to pledge an allegiance to anything, it should be the human race, not some symbolization which is recognized by the death and destruction in it's wake!

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SharynS
Post Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:11 am

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Our nation is an exception in the world, uniquely moral, more civilized, and willing to share and spread our more civilized form of liberty and democracy with other parts of the world.
To the victor goes the spoils. And the historical bent.

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