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Kelsey
Post Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:58 pm
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How about providing a link to your sources as well as addressing responses to your posts CM?

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rogead
Post Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:04 am

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I think you all need to take off your anti-U.S/Israel goggles for a while so you can see that they are not the biggest threats to peace in the middle east.




Here’s a quick quiz cm,

1. Name the only country in the world which has ever used an atomic weapon against another nation.


(hint: it was used on civilian populations—twice!)



2. Name the only country in the world which meets the following criteria:



a. It is believed by The International Atomic Energy Commission to possess fully functional atomic weapons.

b. It is NOT a member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

c. It refuses to confirm or deny it’s possession of nuclear weapons


(hint: it’s in the Middle East and they don’t speak Arabic or Farsi)
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cmartin
Post Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:40 am

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Name the only country in the world which has ever used an atomic weapon against another nation.


Is it France? Razz
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rogead
Post Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:50 am

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Is it France?


Given the history of the French military, they'd probably end up dropping it on Marseille Mr. Green
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cmartin
Post Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:57 am

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My original purpose for this topic was to point out that there is a very dangerous situation brewing in the mid-east, and it should not be ignored or shrugged off as simply rhetoric, to do so would be irresponsible and stupid.

Whether you believe that Iran's president really wants to wipe Israel off the map, and is currently developing the technology to do so, or you think that his speaches regarding Israel were taken out of context or misinterpreted, it is always better to err on the side of caution.

I'm not saying that the U.S or Israel should start dropping bombs on Iran without definate proof of an imminent attack, but since many countries are concerned with Iran's defiant actions regarding their nuclear ambitions, sanctions against Iran might be the next step
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Under Article 41 of the UN Charter, the Security Council may call upon Member States to apply measures not involving the use of armed force in order to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such measures are commonly referred to as sanctions.



To argue against this by saying that there are other countries in the world that do bad things too, is a silly arguement to make and does nothing to help solve the problem.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and never have.
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Kelsey
Post Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:17 am
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Whether you believe that Iran's president really wants to wipe Israel off the map, and is currently developing the technology to do so, or you think that his speaches regarding Israel were taken out of context or misinterpreted, it is always better to err on the side of caution.


Caution is a two-way street.

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since many countries are concerned with Iran's defiant actions regarding their nuclear ambitions, sanctions against Iran might be the next step


I think that's the most reasonable thing I've ever heard you say, especially with regard to the middle-east. I'm not sure I agree, as sanctions have a tendency to detrimentally effect citizens rather than governments, but it's a far cry better than preemptive military strikes without due cause.

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To argue against this by saying that there are other countries in the world that do bad things too, is a silly arguement to make and does nothing to help solve the problem.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and never have.


Actually it's far from "silly". It's a perfectly valid argument but you've mischaracterized it as advocacy for "two wrongs" instead of a desire to right the existing wrong and, in doing so, negate the need for another.

Hypocrisy doesn't garner much respect in the world and the bulk of the current tensions in the ME and the growing distaste for the US and its policies is caused by just that.

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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:45 am

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My original purpose for this topic was to point out that there is a very dangerous situation brewing in the mid-east, and it should not be ignored or shrugged off as simply rhetoric, to do so would be irresponsible and stupid.

From the responses you've had, do you think anyone is ignoring the situation or shrugging it off as rhetoric? Quite the opposite I'd say! The irresponsible and stupid thing to do IMHO, would be to look at the situation with blinders on and make decisions based on religious/political influences!

Some more info on The Israel Lobby, and also the U.S.-Israel relationship and How It All Began.

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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:51 am

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Hypocrisy doesn't garner much respect in the world and the bulk of the current tensions in the ME and the growing distaste for the US and its policies is caused by just that.


You mean hypocritical actions such as this?
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Bush's India Plans at Risk

The accord would overhaul U.S. nuclear policy on India, which for three decades has been aimed at punishing the country for developing its own nuclear arsenal in defiance of international norms. The legislation before Congress would provide an exception for India in a law that bars the United States from providing atomic technology to countries that have not signed on to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.


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edelio
Post Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:02 am

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Location: hamilton 		Sorry Craig,, I gotta disagree with you here man,,, respectfully quoting your scripture ,"A tree is known by its fruits". That was Jesus" way of saying don't listen to the American propaganda that has already cost 2500 US lives and nearly 20,000 wounded in Iraq. I would concur entirely with your views on Iran had the info come from anyone but G.W. Bush. Much like Iraqs WMDs, I do not believe this Axis of Evil horseshit at all. We have seen the lies purpotrated by this Whitehouse and I for one will not be suckered into another one of thier "pre-emptive, think-tank construed, PNAC\chicken hawk deductions of how to deal with Iran. These boobs have proven that they know as much about the middle-east as a 6th grader in the Bible-belt of America.

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cmartin
Post Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:37 pm

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It's not just the U.S though edelio, other countries are also very concerned about how defiant Iran is being about this whole thing.

If it was only the U.S, I would be a little more likely to agree with you
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timidsumo
Post Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:17 am

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edelio wrote:
These boobs have proven that they know as much about the middle-east as a 6th grader in the Bible-belt of America.


Well, yes, but apart from that, their yapping about their hangup with Iran seems to be a try at dealing with their real problem, which is Pakistan. That's where Osama is, where the Taliban is, where Al Q is, and Pakistan has the Bomb. But that's a bit tricky, so instead of dealing with that, it makes sense to bomb Afghanistan and yap about Iran. Also to sign up a deal to hand nuclear information to India. Go figure.
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