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cmartin
Post Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:49 am

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With every day that goes by, Iran is getting closer and closer to developing a nuclear weapon capable of hitting targets in Israel and elsewhere, but the global community is not taking this threat seriously.

The president of Iran has stated on the record that he believes Israel must be wiped off the face of the planet, and he has made it clear that this should be their number one priority.

The last man to announce his intentions and desires to destroy Israel and the Jewish People was Adolph Hitler, but nobody took him seriously until 1939, and we all know what happened then!

The same situation is playing out right before our eyes every day when we watch the news, but for some reason very few in the global community are willing to take pre-emptive measures to stop this most certain catastrophy of epic proportions.

Many voices around the world have stated their opposition to the current war in Iraq, but these same voices are silent or sympathetic when it comes to Iran developing nuclear weapons with the intent to use them.

The thousands of people that have died since the U.S started their war on terror, is but a drop in the bucket compared to what will happen if Iran is allowed to attack Israel and it's supporters with nuclear weapons.

Many people would argue that there are too many nations already in the nuclear family, and they would be right!, so why won't those same people stand up and tell Iran that what they are doing is unacceptable and will not be tolerated.

One theory is that Russia and China who both sit on the U.N security council, have invested billions and billions of dollars into research and development programs in Iran, in return for that black gold we call oil. These two countries want to protect their interests in Iran, and therefor will not want to back any sanctions the useless U.N might consider.

One can only hope that the rhetoric coming from Iran regarding Israel's right to exist, is just that, or else we are in for a period of time that could be refered to as WW3.
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timidsumo
Post Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:46 am

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cmartin wrote:

The last man to announce his intentions and desires to destroy Israel and the Jewish People was Adolph Hitler, but nobody took him seriously until 1939, and we all know what happened then!


(a) The State of Israel did not exist until 1947.

(b) Iran does not have any nuclear weapons. Nor does any other nation in the middle east, except Israel, which has hundreds of them, donated by the Americans.

(c) The top priority of President AhmadiNejad is the betterment of the lot of his people, under the principles of Islam.
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Kelsey
Post Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:20 pm
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Wow, there's a lot of sensationalist bullshit in that post CM.

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Iran is getting closer and closer to developing a nuclear weapon


There is no evidence to support that statement.

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The president of Iran has stated on the record that he believes Israel must be wiped off the face of the planet


Where and when? Are you sure you haven't simply fallen victim to the american propaganda machine again? Methinks you have.

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to stop this most certain catastrophy of epic proportions.


There is no evidence to suggest that anything about the situation is "certain" let alone "epic" or "catastrophic".

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Many voices around the world have stated their opposition to the current war in Iraq, but these same voices are silent or sympathetic when it comes to Iran developing nuclear weapons with the intent to use them.


Because Iran has just as much a right to defend itself as any other country. And, again, you have no evidence of any "intent".

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to what will happen if Iran is allowed to attack Israel and it's supporters with nuclear weapons.


Again, there is no evidence to suggest that Iran has any weapons to attack anybody with and there is no evidence of any intent that they would attack anyone if they did.

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why won't those same people stand up and tell Iran that what they are doing is unacceptable and will not be tolerated.


Because Iran has just as much a right to defend itself as any other country. It's pretty simple.

Israel has nukes, Syria might, Pakistan does, India as well. And let us not forget that the US is the only country to ever actually use a nuclear weapon.

So...

a. How is it that you can justify pre-emptive attacks without any evidence of a threat?

b. How is it that you can deny a country the ability to defend itself against nations already in possession of nuclear weapons and a historical propensity to use them?

It's quite the double-standard you've got there.

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cmartin
Post Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 2:36 pm

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The president of Iran again lashed out at Israel on Friday and said it was "heading toward annihilation," just days after Tehran raised fears about its nuclear activities by saying it successfully enriched uranium for the first time.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel a "permanent threat" to the Middle East that will "soon" be liberated. He also appeared to again question whether the Holocaust really happened.

"Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation," Ahmadinejad said at the opening of a conference in support of the Palestinians. "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."

Ahmadinejad provoked a world outcry in October when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map."

On Friday, he repeated his previous line on the Holocaust, saying: "If such a disaster is true, why should the people of this region pay the price? Why does the Palestinian nation have to be suppressed and have its land occupied?"

The land of Palestine, he said, referring to the British mandated territory that includes all of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, "will be freed soon."

He did not say how this would be achieved, but insisted to the audience of at least 900 people: "Believe that Palestine will be freed soon."


That was from an Associated Press writer on April 14.

Just because you don't want to believe it Kelsey and timidsumo, doesn't mean it"s not happening.

It should be clear to anyone reading what this Holocaust denying terrorist has to say, that he intends on achieving his goals by attacking Israel with a nuclear weapon the moment he has one.
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TNT
Post Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 3:24 pm

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Given the close proximity of the two countries, I assume it will be a small nuclear explosion, and only while the wind is blowing in the other direction. Rolling Eyes
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cmartin
Post Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 3:39 pm

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The 2 countries are about 1000 miles apart, plus it doesn't need to be a big blast to be effective.
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Kelsey
Post Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:51 pm
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Ok, I'll ask again:

1. Where are the nukes?
2. Where and when did anyone say that "Israel must be wiped off the face of the planet"?
3. Where's your evidence that an attack on Israel is inevitable?

And I'll add:

4. Where and when did anyone deny the holocaust?

They're simple questions. "Belief" isn't a sufficient answer to any of them.

Perhaps you should turn off the tv and do a bit of investigation yourself. There's all kinds of information available that suggest, quite clearly, that all of the shite you've regurgitated here is nothing more than propaganda.

A good place to start would be comprehending the difference between a "state" and a "regime". Rolling Eyes

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cmartin
Post Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:39 am

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You are quite the piece of work kelsey.
Perhaps you should do some reading yourself, you can start by looking through every major newspaper on the damn planet that has been reporting on this issue for the last few months.

"Where are the nukes?"
I don't believe I mentioned that Iran has them, yet!

"Where and when did anyone say that Israel must be
wiped off the planet?"
Sorry, the exact quote from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad this past October was "wiped off the map", not planet.

"Where's your evidence that an attack on Israel is inevitable?"
Though I do not personally posess the physical evidence necessary to warrant a pre-emptive strike on Iran, I think a reasonable person can put 2 and 2 together and realize that if nothing is done about this in the very near future, it is highly probable to occur.

"Where and when did anyone deny the holocaust?"

This is a report from CNN from December 2005.

Ahmadinejad sparked widespread international condemnation in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Last week, he also expressed doubt about the killing by the Nazis of six million Jews during World War II, but Wednesday was the first occasion when he said in public that the Holocaust was a myth.

"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets,"

Good enough for ya Kelsey?
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Kelsey
Post Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:42 pm
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You are quite the piece of work kelsey.


Sorry bub but I'm not the one advocating death & destruction over a threat that doesn't exist.

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Perhaps you should do some reading yourself, you can start by looking through every major newspaper on the damn planet that has been reporting on this issue for the last few months.


You mean every major newspaper that's been reporting the same questionable, if not flat-out WRONG, translation of Ahmadinejad's speech?

Perhaps you should try reading the other translations. The english translation from the Iranian press is particularly interesting.

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Sorry, the exact quote from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad this past October was "wiped off the map", not planet.


Wipe WHAT off the map? If you had half a brain you would have figured out that Ahmadinejad was referring to speech by Imam Khomeini who stated that the occupying regime, meaning the Shah-Regime, must be wiped off the map.

As you clearly can't comprehend the difference between a state and a regime I'll spell it out for you:

A "regime" is a system of social control or a form of government.

A "state" is a autonomous territorial and political unit under a sovereign government.

So, wiping a regime off the map quite clearly does NOT mean nuking a fucking country.

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Though I do not personally posess the physical evidence necessary to warrant a pre-emptive strike on Iran


No one does. So why would YOU advocate a pre-emptive strike?

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I think a reasonable person can put 2 and 2 together and realize that if nothing is done about this in the very near future, it is highly probable to occur.


A "reasonable" person knows the difference between a state and a regime and has intelligence enough to refer to the source and/or multiple sources rather than soley western mainstream-media interpretations.

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"Where and when did anyone deny the holocaust?"
This is a report from CNN from December 2005.
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Good enough for ya Kelsey?


OMG!! CNN said so! It MUST be TRUE! Rolling Eyes

Read and learn.

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TNT
Post Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:45 pm

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Though I do not personally posess the physical evidence necessary to warrant a pre-emptive strike on Iran, I think a reasonable person can put 2 and 2 together and realize that if nothing is done about this in the very near future, it is highly probable to occur.


Sounds perfectly reasonable to me cm, Why just last August during a particularly bad snowstorm here in Ontario, I was reading an article inside my igloo about how all Iranian children, mothers and even grandmothers run the streets over there carrying guns and ready to kill.
My thought's at the time were, boy these people must be stopped. Rolling Eyes Mr. Green
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cmartin
Post Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 2:44 pm

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You people are just as bad as the gullable fools at work that still believe the UFCW is a good union.

It appears that this whole matter is due to the mistranslation of some speeches given by a really nice guy who wants nothing more then to live in perfect harmony with Jews and Christians.

It's a good thing the western hemisphere has you to correct all of us misguided buffoons Kelsey. Rolling Eyes

I hope when you are watching the bombs drop that you take a moment and reflect on your words here.
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Kelsey
Post Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 3:24 pm
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The fact is that there is a VERY good possibility that you've been mislead by the media. The link I've provided spells it out pretty clearly.

If you disagree, dispute it. If you can't dispute it you should STFU.

At the very least, you should have the decency to check your facts BEFORE advocating violence.

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TNT
Post Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:04 pm

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So was the war on Iraq justified cm ?
The justification for going into Iraq was because they had weapons of mass destruction.
And now what you seem to be saying is that we should go after Iran because they may be able to build weapons of mass destruction. Rolling Eyes
Time to change the channel buddy or at least get another view on the topic.
I personally know people from Iraq, Pakistan and turkey, Sorry none from Iran, But it blows my mind to speak with these people about their homelands and hear that their lives over there are as misunderstood as ours are here. Read my previous post.
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You people are just as bad as the gullable fools at work that still believe the UFCW is a good union.


I don't think it matters which union you belong to anymore they have all lost any power they ever had. And there is no one to blame but the members. Because they allowed it to happen.
But I will say this, Having lived on both sides a bad union is preferable to none.
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cmartin
Post Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:09 pm

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Perhaps you are the one being mislead kelsey.
I think it is your news source that is not reporting the facts!

If your only arguement for me being wrong is that this clown was mis-understood by everyone but you, that is pretty damn weak, and perhaps you should be the one to STFU!
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Kelsey
Post Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 5:33 pm
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I think it is your news source that is not reporting the facts!


Well, it's pretty clear that you can't dispute it.

That it pokes a gaping hole in your sorry excuse for an argument is not my fault and no amount of straw men and appeals to emotion are going to change that.

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