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| loonietunes |
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:42 pm
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ross53 wrote: Elections are set for Sept 8, 2006 from 7:00AM to 6:00PM. Counting of the ballots and general tally will be done at the Union Hall, 2001 Camino Del Rio South on Friday September 8, 2006, starting approximately at 7:00PM. The election will be held in --17--days! Time is the key right now-- Ross--Are there going to be polling places? --if so--"By Law" Bell should have been given this information-- or will it be a mail-in vote? If there are polling sites--you need to focus a lot of your energy and time in the Grocery Markets that are closest to the Polling Places. Mickey will get most of his votes from his staff and the Union Stewards that he has promised jobs to--and the Rank and File Executive Board members that are running on his slate. You can bet that each one of these folks will get at least 10-other people to the polls to vote for the Mickey Slate--The Union Reps can each get at least 20 folks to the polls. Now--if you focus on getting a massive voter turn out from some key stores--and then focus your "Get out the Vote" on election day from the stores around the polling sites you may be able to overcome some of the built in force that Mickey has. Bottom Line--you only have 17-days-- you have to now work at this 24/7--no time off! The Bell team needs to get in these stores with something positive for the future- --as others have stated---you must offer some kind of plan. Its crunch time-- Get in those stores--stay in those stores-- Get the vote out- Sample "business card" size hand Bill---- --"NO MORE TRICKS IN 2006" "Vote for Honest Change" "The Bell Team" --List the names of the candidates-- --Time and date of the vote-- Place one of these cards in every Members hand after you greet them-- Listen Listen Listen----Listen---Listen It can be done-- LT |
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| ross53 |
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:11 pm
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Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1434 Location: california |
Pearson wrote:
"LEARN TO LISTEN." The world is full of folks who think they have the answers, or at least want people to believe they do. If i learned nothing else from my 26 years inside, it was to be able to listen to what members were saying. Once i heard them, understood them, i was able to take their words and shape them into a viable agenda they liked, wanted. Bill, We have done what you are asking and more. We are talking to people in person one on one, we have been taking notes time and time again,we know what they need, we know what they want and because we are listening we will make things happen. Why the agenda is not on the website I have no idea I am sure they have a logical reason. You may not agree, but this is the way things are for now. Pearson wrote: One question for you ross, why is mickey painting you and steve with an anti-union brush? Please explain that. I imagine it is because of your position regarding the back dues, but please fill in the blanks. Thanks. Bill: Since Mickey took office I have questioned just about anything and everthing.In Mickey mind I am anti-union because,I want the union to be transperent and I want Mickey to be held accountable in reference to the union attivity. I am asking question and when Mickey refuses to answer I will gladly go to Shaun Barclay UFCW Region 8 Wester V.P. and normaly he also refuses to answer. Then I will go to Joseph T. Hansen.UFCW International. Same "Music" Hansen will mail me back and clearly stated I have referred you letter to Mr. Kasparian and I have asked Mr. Kasparian to contact you. MICKEY NEVER CONTACT ME. WHY I DON'T KNOW . Finaly I have requested assistance for the Department of Labor, National Labor Relation Board and other State and Federal agency. I have spoken to TV reporters,to Radio Talk Show host and also to the Newspaper. I have never done anything to "BREAK THE UNION" I JUST WANT MICKEY TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE UNION MATTERS NOTHING MORE. Why, Mickey thinks that I am anti-union ?????????? Bill, Desperate times call for desperate actions. I am not running for any office in this election why Mickey focus is on "ME" I don't know. Ross53 
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| unionnow |
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:04 pm
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Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 658 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail |
Quote: One question for you ross, why is mickey painting you and steve with an anti-union brush? Please explain that. I imagine it is because of your position regarding the back dues, but please fill in the blanks. Thanks. Bill, that’s normal out here in California. The UFCW leadership spews the most outrageous lies they can when under the cloud of an election. I think it derives from their fear and lack of character. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2) |
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| SharynS |
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:48 pm
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2883 Location: the 'puter |
Quote: Bill, that’s normal out here in California. The UFCW leadership spews the most outrageous lies they can when under the cloud of an election.
I think it derives from their fear and lack of character. Hell don't get me wrong, presenting a solid platform has rarely worked so not having one may, it may be worth the shot - I don't know. I just don't see it and I'm wondering if one "anti" side is being received by the members better than the other? _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| Plutodog |
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:04 pm
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Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 300 Location: Oregon |
It would sure seem that it would be at the least reassuring to have a positive platform in addition to the why the other side is so lousy. Still a little hard to come up with something that's in line with the anti-biz union (anti-UFCW in this case) but still trying to reform the one local of UFCW where you have "voting rights" of whatever degree. At some point you get into questions about just how much reform you can promise within this local without reforming the whole monster or having the head monster come on down and put the local into receivership. That's sure a concern with anything done in Andy's SEIU. Bottom line, you don't want to promise what the HQ union won't let you deliver. Might be best to just promise the best you can and a definite fight to be part of the movement for reform...one front against the corrupt biz union model.
And for gawds sakes, yes, even if you know from your conversations what the members think, if you want them to own it, you gotta give them room to voice it just as publicly as we do here. _________________ "I'm not a humanitarian,I'm a hell-raiser" -- Mother Jones |
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| unionnow |
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:16 am
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Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 658 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail |
Quote: why or how would the reform team stand apart, how does it set itself apart. What makes the reform slate's anti-mickey shit any different than mickey's anti-union sabotuer shit? You never know what is their true motivation or if another entity or union is behind them pulling strings. We can’t really tell what the truth is or what the lies are, we are too far away for that. Looking at Mickey’s site I see the same old crap regurgitated by almost every UFCW incumbent facing a contested election. In my opinion, clearly a pack of lies for the most part. He is one of the Internationals boys down there. I can see some merit in the other side’s claims. They should be getting a piece of the Ralph’s settlement money if they are not. I can see the business agents out in full force campaigning and all the rest. What sets them apart? Not much at this point. It looks like they just threw together some people to run. It takes a great deal of time to put together a platform and a plan of action and a great deal of effort to stick to it. The International is scared. San Diego is conservative country and people will vote against the incumbents based on that alone. Having this play out on uncharted is a big problem for them. Hansen went down to speak at their shop steward conference just before election season started. I would add that to an election complaint if I lost. Sometimes the reforms are worse than the incumbents. What reformers need are other reformers in other unions to give them support. One set of reformers among a host of sharks leaves little to do but get eaten. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2) |
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| loonietunes |
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:44 am
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unionnow wrote: It looks like they just threw together some people to run. It takes a great deal of time to put together a platform and a plan of action and a great deal of effort to stick to it. UNIONNOW-- I agree with you 100% This reform campaign needed to have started last year- -but who knows--people are very upset and in the mood to change things--if the "Bell" team gets in these stores 24/7--and focuses on the "Get out the Vote" they can still pull this darn thing off. But you have to offer the members some kind of positive change! CHA CHA- -take a lesson from what is going on here. If the good folks of Local 1036 want to finally throw Hartwell out of office--you need to start getting your team together now! Get a web site going--newsletter whatever--- The Local 1036 officer election is schedualed for July--2007! Obviousely--Cha Cha--I would only focus on the most trusted Local 1036 reformers right now. LT |
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| ross53 |
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:45 am
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Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1434 Location: california |
LT, Pearson UN, Siggy, CHA CHA and all of you.
LISTEN, READ, LISTEN, AND READ: www.rossandtheunionboss.com The material that it is posted on my website “IS THE TRUTH” All of itis documented, no exceptions just follow the thread. The UFCW Local 135, The UFCW Region 8 Western office, The UFCW Legal Council Washington office and Joseph T Hansen UFCW International President. They are all in together covering up mistakes after mistakes. They think that but not answering we will go away.WRONG WE STARDED IN MARCH 2004 AND WE STILL GOING, GOING AND GOING WE WILL NEVER STOP UNTIL WE GET THE ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTIONS. It makes no difference the subject the end result will be the same. For example: let take the Shop Stewards issue MICKEY intentionally deprived my work place of proper union representation for nearly one year. I demanded to have TWO SHOP STEWARDS at my work place we are entitle under the current contract with the Grocers. The shop stewards director German Ramirez also a union representative never did anything about it. Mickey the same thing no action, until one day just before xmas 2005 He gave us a xmas present Mickey imposed a shop steward to my work place who is a also a manager (DICTATORSHIP). 125 worker store open at 5:00AM until 12:00Am, we have only one steward. My coworker and I wrote a letter to Mickey no response we wrote a letter to Ramirez No response we wrote a letter to Region 8 No response, one to Joseph Hansen final we get a response from Joe Hansen. Dear Brother Bagnasco, I have received you letter and a copy of the same from Region 8 office I have forward a copy of your letter to Local 135 President Mickey Kasparian and asked Mickey to contact you. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HEY JOE….. MICKEY IS THE PROBLEM CAPISCE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Same with the back dues, with the accusation that Norm used union money for personal use, the threat to me inside my store, the $200,000 Legal fees (they cannot provide the invoices for it) the lack of leadership unable to unionize two small companies in San Diego work places where the workers had voted to be part of the union but because of Mickey lack of leadership the two companies have no union. Hansen and all of the big brass attended the Shop Stewards Seminar (BY THE WAY MY STORE STEWARD DID NOT ATTENED TO SEMINAR SHE CHOOSE TO WORK FOR THE COMPANY SIX DAY THAT WEEK) and still the UFCW Leader have not done anything to remedy the situation and they know about it because I wrote them a letter. The UFCW label me Anti-union HEY BOY’S LOOK YOUR SELF IN THE MIRROW” I have a lot more to tell you but that all for now. I know the UFCW prefer not to see this on the”uncharted”, but you know what My coworkers and I have done everything since March 2004, to clean up our dirty laundry with in the UFCW organization in return the UFCW totally and systematically ignore are concerns Coming soon Mickey and the San Diego City Council. Pearson before you read the relationship beteeen Mickey and the City Council make sure you have a cold drink this will make very maaaaddddd. Stay tuned.. Ross53
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| Pearson |
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:35 am
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Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1416 Location: Sun City AZ |
I hate to tell you ross, but i've tried to log on several times and never been able to get through. After the first attempt, i tried again twice and have never gotten an email with my password. That's the least of my concerns though.
I do like to see members attempt to run against seated officers. Unionnow's point of building a strong team early should not be lost on anyone. It is what you need do when you go up against incumbants. They always have more money and a slew of advantages. Don't look for the law to save you, it is seldom enough. Even if you get a new election, you still need people to support you. There-in lies your problem ross. Expecting people to support you based on what Mickey has done wrong is an accident waiting to happen. Yes, some members will be incensed, but not enough to win the race. The best advice i got when i ran was to talk about what we would do when we won, not waste my energy on the other guys faults. The stats on incumbants winning are staggering. Beating them means you have to do things right, and it means doing them early and often. It is essential you make members part of the process and you can't do that ripping the other guy. _________________ If we don't do it, who will? |
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| ross53 |
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:00 am
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Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1434 Location: california |
Pearson,
I don't know way you are having problem log in to the discussion board on my website. Ploutodog, Siggy, Mickeloco and others they don't have a problem. Will you try againg please. The website is access free, you only need to log in if you like to be part of the discussion boards. Thanks, Ross. |
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| loonietunes |
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:44 pm
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Pearson wrote: The stats on incumbants winning are staggering. Beating them means you have to do things right, and it means doing them early and often. It is essential you make members part of the process and you can't do that ripping the other guy. Exactly--BP In reference to my UFCW So Cal UFCW History Lesson #1 20 years ago in 1986-a-UFCW Local 899 Rank and File union member--Marvin Armas--began to campaign one year prior to officer nominations. This was before the "world wide web"--and these helpful web sites. Armas put together a team of dedicated union members--they had business card type hand bills that had the catch phrase--"No more tricks in 86" the card identified the "Armas" team. For nearly one year-- armas and his band of union reformers shook thousands of member's hands made lists of the members telephone numbers and explained to them their vision of a well run UFCW Local Union-they attended every union meeting and took detailed notes. --Yes they hammered the incumbents--but for every hammer---- they offered a new solution! The result was-- that this band of union reformers--beat a well oiled--well financed--"UFCW machine" that included people like "George Hartwell" in his prime--and that is saying something! For two days before the election--Armas and his team called hundreds of members and reminded them to go vote. The vote result was---1504--1322 in favor of Armas. 20 years ago this Local union election shook the UFCW world to its foundation. Regardless-- of the fact that the UFCW with the help of Hartwell merged Local 899 with Local 137 which created Local 1036--which prevented Armas from ever taking office----- The point is this-- -People still have to run a campaign like the one Armas ran--back in 1986--- the fact that these web sites exist now only helps a potential reformer to gain instant information and allows for instant communications- However-by themselves they cannot win a union officer election- -although they can and will really help!! Ross---- -another important point Has the "Bell" team contacted the UFCW Local 135 Retirees? These folks are pissed off big time--they have been sold down the river in the past two So Cal Grocery Contracts. They should and would be in those stores campaigning if they were asked to. CHA CHA- -I would start contacting the UFCW Local 1036 Retirees now--well before the July 2007 Local 1036 Officer Election--Although I wouldn't bother with John Pace--he has been bought and sold by Hartwell. Ross- -I applaud your effort--please understand that all anyone is trying to do here is offer you and your team some guidance and some free advice and help guide you to victory- -but you are now down to 16 days before the election. Contact the Retirees-Ask them to campaign for the Bell team-- Shake those Hands-be positive and do it with a smile- Concentrate on the stores closest to the Voting Polls- Come up with some positive message--along with exposing Mickey's dirt-- Get the member's telephone numbers and e-mails and contact them the day before the vote to remind them to go vote---THIS IS CRUCIAL IN ANY ELECTION! and do all of this 24/7--- What will happen in Local 135 will happen-- But there is always the next UFCW Officer Election( LT |
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| ross53 |
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:16 am
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Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1434 Location: california |
The first week since nomination, a review of the events about Mickey Kasparian team.
I personally estimate base on my personal observation that before Labor Day VIOLENCE WILL BE PART OF MICKEY CAMPAIGN. This is way. Saturday August 19, 2006 Mickey Kasparian and one of the union representatives are campaigning at Albertsons store in Chula Vista Mickey gets in a confrontation with one of the union members and store manager escorted Mickey and the poppet our of the store. Sunday August 20 Mickey and one of the union representatives are campaigning at Vons’s in the College are, Mickey shouts to a union member who asked questions Things get out of control Store manager asked Mickey and the poppet to leave the store Monday August 21, all of the union representative are in a mission only one task in mind Go to all of the stores and pick up the Steve Bell team Fliers and put then inside the trash cans. The Union representative don't have the curtsey to say Steve Bell will be challenging Mickey for the presidency of Local 135. They say someone will be running against Mickey “NO RESPECT” No decorum. Wednesday August 23 Mickey and the gang are out to the store crying that if Steve wins the election all of unions employees will be out of a job therefore the members need to vote for Mickey. Wednesday August 23, Mickey asked a few retired union representatives to help him in the campaign John Hotline and Lance Fortunate both ex union reps visited a Albertsons store in Lakeside The produce clerk asked question about the state of the current administration John Hotline get very emotional and gets on the clerk face shouting At the clerk an immediate reaction by store employees and a direct order from the store manager get the rep out of the store. Violence and threats will not be tolerated in any place. Thursday August 25, Albertson Store Casa de Oro. Ed Kramer aka the ENFORCER Refuses to answer question from union members and shouting across the front end of the store, at store management and union workers. The enforcer refuses to answer any question. Why campaign if you don’t want to answer the union members questions, Just like Mickey, Ross asked questions Mickey never respond to it, not even when Joe Hansen Gives Mickey a direct order to talk to Ross. What tomorrow will bring we don’t know one thing for sure Mickey still gives out fliers stating the Steve Bell and is slate are anti-union. And Mickey refuses to answer the “BURNING QUESTIONS” “UFCW International President Joe Hansen appointed President Mickey Kasparian to the National Bargaining Committee, to help set strategies and planning for Contract Negotiations in 2007 and beyond” Source: http://www.protectyourunion.com/ If the campaign in San Diego is any indication of how great Mickey Kasparian is In my opinion the UFCW need to rethink the current status because Mickey cannot differentiate between a hole in the ground and is r……… According with Joe Hansen: Mickey is the best that the UFCW, got to offer in Southern California Dear God have mercy on all of the UFCW members in Southern California if Mickey get re-elect president. Ross53
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| Pearson |
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:48 pm
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Quote: Wednesday August 23 Mickey and the gang are out to the store crying that if Steve wins the election all of unions employees will be out of a job therefore the members need to vote for Mickey This is a violation of the federal law regarding local union elections. Union reps and union officers are barred from campaigning while being paid and on the clock. You need to begin to document all dates, times and places this occurs. All too often the idea a member questions or challenges a biz union leader results in them going off on them. It is a pathetic display of intolerance and blatant ignorance regarding a members rights. I know this is an emotional issue for folks on both sides. I've been in the middle of one of these and the frustrations are high. Having said that, there is no excuse for union staff or officers to act like this. Members have a right to hold officers accountable. They have a right to ask questions and to get answers. They have a right to run against you...you do not own the job for more than the three years you are elected to it (unless of course the job is handed to you by dad and then the boys pretect you through a merger. This blatant lack of democracy has been one of the things that has gotten the UFCW into the hole they are in. Here is another chance Joe to show you are trying to change things. I know, local union autonomy; but if the international doesn't exist to see local union officers and staff treat members right...why do you exist? _________________ If we don't do it, who will? |
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| unionnow |
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:46 pm
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Wow, sounds like they are falling apart if what you posted is true. The members down there must be hot and they well should be. Great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote: This is a violation of the federal law regarding local union elections. Union reps and union officers are barred from campaigning while being paid and on the clock. You need to begin to document all dates, times and places this occurs. Thats not exactly true. According to the DOL election manual: Quote: Campaigning by union officials which is “incidental” to union business is not a violation of federal law. For example, any campaigning by a union officials which occurs as a consequence of conducting legitimate union business, such as shaking hands of union members while visiting work site on official business is permitted. Its a big loophoile that they can drive a bus through and they do. Some of the stuff they are doing will violate the law but you need statements from members to give the DOL. Everything needs to be well documented. You guys might send them packing. You gotta turn people out for the ballot count. Man I wish I was there helping you. I would be running from one end of the county to the other lighting fires. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2) |
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| loonietunes |
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:47 pm
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ross53 wrote: Wednesday August 23, Mickey asked a few retired union representatives to help him in the campaign John Hotline and Lance Fortunate both ex union reps visited a Albertsons store in Lakeside Ross- -The Bell team needs to ask some UFCW Local 135 "Retirees" to campaign for them. Members will tend to listen to their old brother and sisters who have recently retired. LT |
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