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| SharynS |
Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 2:32 am
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter |
Quote: but rather that they try and read into it things that are not there, Quote: or they exclude parts of it that don't jive with their own way of thinking. People like/need to identify, a good author/story/movie can do that, we're talking about an ancient journal(s), which have been transcribed and/or translated time and time again. I say the bible should be on the bookshelf right there next to Dr. Spock so we can move on. Think about it, when was the last time someone sacrificed a lamb or oxen and got away with it? 
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| cmartin |
Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 2:51 am
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Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 244 |
"according to whom cm?"
It doesn't need to be according to anyone to be true siggy. Unless you are telling me that the bible is never misinterpreted. In your two statements above, it sounds like you agree with me that people leave things out of the bible to suit their needs, but that they don't add things in to accomplish the same thing, is that what you are saying or am I misreading you? 
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| SharynS |
Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 3:29 am
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter |
let's retrace your steps cm, try to stay with me. Quote: It doesn't need to be according to anyone to be true siggy. Quote: Unless you are telling me that the bible is never misinterpreted. Quote: In your two statements above, it sounds like you agree with me that people leave things out of the bible to suit their needs, but that they don't add things in to accomplish the same thing, is that what you are saying or am I misreading you? _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| rogead |
Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 3:55 am
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I don’t think it’s possible to misinterpret the Bible. That would require the existence of an unalterably “correct” interpretation. The Bible is like a Rorschach Test: any interpretation lies within the psyche of the interpreter. The Bible has been used to support the diametrically opposed ideals of communism and of fascism. It has been used to justify violence and as a moral justification against that very same violence. God seems to be on both sides during any given war. God is love, but don’t piss Him off lest you be condemned to an eternity of torture.
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| SharynS |
Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 4:12 am
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Quote: That would require the existence of an unalterably “correct” interpretation. I wonder if the original intent was to rule or play such an enormous part in the future or if the scribbles were merely self-reflections, painful and otherwise and because we're all human they have that been there done that kinda feel to them. Gawd can you imagine what kind of world it would be if cheech and chongs diaries got this kind of play. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| rogead |
Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 5:08 am
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Quote: Wouldn't the "correct" interpretation belong to the author(s), tho that is intent not necessarily interpretation, it does support an "existence of", no? Probably so, although the numerous translations and versions of the texts have undoubtedly altered much of the original author's intent. Quote: Gawd can you imagine what kind of world it would be if cheech and chongs diaries got this kind of play.
What were we talking about now?...pass me that bong will ya? |
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| SharynS |
Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 11:16 am
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Quote: Probably so, although the numerous translations and versions of the texts have undoubtedly altered much of the original author's intent.
I know this is going to cause some people to break out in a wicked rash but, has anyone ever read the bible and inserted "self" wherever the word god appears? It's my theory that G O D is actually an ancient acronym and not the main character.
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| unionnow |
Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 11:07 pm
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Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail |
Quote: any interpretation lies within the psyche of the interpreter And the writers interpretation and the times in which they lived and within the historical context in which they wrote. That’s what makes the book so flexible, historical and very accurate in some regards. In the early 19th century scholars used to laugh at all the silly names and places described in the bible. Then the archeologists went out and dug up the cites and they were laughing no more. There was no mea culpa from them, they just turned their fangs towards something else. One surveyor read about the burning sands, surmised that their was oil and went in and found vast quantities. The history of the world in cliff notes. How the Earth was created in 2 paragraphs written by some yuk 6000 years ago. What do people expect? _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2) |
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| newguard |
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 11:47 am
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Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 88 |
I have read the book which dosen't make me any kind of authority on the subject of just what is the Holy Grail but the book just comfirms my personal beliefs.
------- The Bible is a product of Man, not a God. Man created it as a historical record of tumultuos times over hundreds of years and it has evolved through countless translations, additions and revisions. More than 80 Gospels were considered for the new testament yet only a relative few were chosen for inclusion. But who chose what Gospels to include? The answer is the fundemantal irony of Christianity as the Bible as we know it today was started by the pagan Roman emporer Constantine the Great purely for financial gain. -------- Other Great Myths of the Wacky World of Religon; Scientific research has come along way since Charles Darwin first posited the concept of "natural selection", an idea as controversial now as it was back in 1859 when it was first published. In the intervening years, humanity has learned much about how we became the dominant species on the planet, how the Earth and the solar system were formed and the ever-changing development of the Universe. Over that time, how we understand the theory of evolution has also changed. Scientists now believe that there is an intrinsic logic to our reality, that there are absolutes, laws of nature. Much remains a mystery, and as one question is answered, many others arise. The question now facing Pennsylvania's Dover School District is whether or not the imposition of one creation belief on a multi-ethnic, secular student body is in keeping with the law that prohibits the creation of a state religion. If they allow one belief system to be taught, surely they must also teach others? To help out with this dilemma, LiveScience presents a list of those Creation Myths that helped define civilizations both past and present... -- Tom X. Chao and Anthony Duignan-Cabrera http://www.livescience.com/history/top10_intelligent_designs-10.html |
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| unionnow |
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 3:47 am
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The sad thing about the creation debate is that the Bible states that man, animals and plants "came forth out of the earth" and that the birds and fishes "came forth out of the seas".
The creation account in the Bible talks about how 6 periods of time were used; described as "days" by the author/translators. If the sun was not set in place till the fourth "day" (time period) how could they be thought of as earth days? When dissected, this account puts all the other creation myths to shame because in reality it is a very short description of the evolutionary processes that brought forth the universe and the life within. The dogmatism of mainstream fundamentalism is a mental condition brought on by the lack of thought they put into their core beliefs. They received what they believed without putting it to thought for fear of being challenged in their belief systems. In reality they have no basis for their beliefs other than what was handed to them by someone else. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2) |
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| CUPE_Reformer |
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:37 am
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Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 241 Location: Real Solidarity |
cmartin wrote: The problem is not that people take the bible literally, but rather that they try and read into it things that are not there, or they exclude parts of it that don't jive with their own way of thinking. cmartin: Do you believe that the sun use to rotate around the earth or that God stopped/reversed the earth's rotation around the sun? Quote: So the sun stood still,
and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. Joshua 10:13 Quote: Then the prophet Isaiah called upon the LORD, and the LORD made the shadow go back the ten steps it had gone down on the stairway of Ahaz. 2 Kings 20:11 _________________ Real Solidarity |
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| cmartin |
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:07 pm
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Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 244 |
I don't dispute anything that God chose to have written in his book by the hands of men.
I'm sure you have read enough of my posts over the years to know that CR. |
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| newguard |
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:06 am
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Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 88 |
I think we call the following a solar eclipse these days. That is what history has taught us, that because something was unexplainable at the time it had to have happened (or not happened) because of some supernatural being.
I don't even know or can get my head around how a telephone works (never mind a TV or the www). You speak into one end and the sound travels down a wire to the other end and someone can hear what you said!!! Lets not even talk cell phones!!!!!! Yes I know the basics behind it but it still amazes me that it works and just because I don't fully comprehend it, dosen't me I believe in a supernatural telephone creator..... Or should I say.....All praise Marconi and Bell.... Quote: So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,
till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. |
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