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| cmartin |
Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 2:49 am
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With all the hype surrounding the Da vinci Code recently, I decided to research the story's origin.
Not to my surprise I found that the whole thing is a fabrication and has little to no historical foundation on which to stand. It seems as though it was for the most part a fantastical fairy tale devised by a man named Pierre Plantard who along with a couple of other guy's put together a series of fake documents to support their claims. Plantard eventually admitted under oath that the whole thing was a sham, and he tried to recant some of the claims he had made about himself being a rightful heir to the French throne. Over the last 50 years or so there have been a number of books written on the topic, and one could assume it is because the story is interesting and slightly mysterious. With all of the factual, historical information available on this subject, why would any rational thinking person believe a word of it to be true? My guess is that anyone who does not believe in God and the bible, see this as a security blanket of sorts, something that they can grab on to that "proves" Jesus was just some ordinary guy who happened to live a good and decent life a couple of thousand years ago. I don't fault Dan Brown for wanting to make a buck by writing a fictional book, but I do have to chuckle at those people out there that will no doubt stand by it as the "gospel truth" |
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| Elvis |
Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 3:30 am
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Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 661 Location: Toronto |
cmartin wrote: With all the hype surrounding the Da vinci Code recently, I decided to research the story's origin. Two quick questions, cm... 1. During your research escapades, did you get to read the book? 2. Will you be watching the movie? I'm enjoying your commentary in this thread and the 'evil' one. I really liked that 'gospel truth' comment. Ask a Jewish or Muslim person what their respective hearts have been telling them for the last few thousand years. As a christian (not your kind), I know that my capitalized God would consider it a sin for me to ASSUME that my INTERPRETATION is always and completely correct. Does the bible mention Jesus's skin colour, eye colour,hair colour, height, weight, cheek structure, penis length, etc.? My own research has led me to believe Jesus was a wine guzzling, roly-poly 240lbs, 5'3", balding afro-haired dude... very friar Tuckish... oh, and with a stubby (daddy wanted to keep him out of too much trouble). Basically, I don't give a shit if Jesus had 34 kids and visited the Mormons in his old age or whatever else he might have done outside the recorded stuff. Try obsessing on his golden rule. You're wasting your time with the other shit. _________________ Henri Ducard: Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share. Bruce Wayne: That's why it's so important. It separates us from them. |
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| cmartin |
Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 4:09 am
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I don't know if i will read the book or not, I have some others that are higher on my list of must reads.
As for the movie, I won't go out of my way to pay and see it, but when it makes it to t.v I probably will. |
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| Elvis |
Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 4:15 am
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Thanks.
I ASSUMED and INTERPRETED that you did the normal fundamentalist get-my-info from others thing and won't be going straight to the source as would be noprmally expected. So to say the question was 99% rhetorical is more honest... I needed your help in my research to confirm my hypothesis. I went straight to the source. Thank you again, sir. Oh and do you think Dan Brown deserves kickbacks from all the jackasses that are now profiting from his fiction... off of people such as yourself? _________________ Henri Ducard: Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share. Bruce Wayne: That's why it's so important. It separates us from them. |
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| cmartin |
Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 4:23 am
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Why do I need to read the book to know what the plot is and have an opinion on it?
I'm sure there are books you have not read, but you know what they are about. How am I profiting from the book? And don't call me a Jackass! |
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| Elvis |
Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 4:39 am
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cmartin wrote: Why do I need to read the book to know what the plot is and have an opinion on it?
I'm sure there are books you have not read, but you know what they are about. How am I profiting from the book? And don't call me a Jackass! cmartin, seriously... I'm dying of laughter. Please reread my post. Where did I say you're profiting from the book? And when did I call you a jackass (although I am holding back at the moment)? The Dan Brown fiction has enabled a lot of people to make a name (and money) for themselves... from board games to the countless books trying to disprove him. You and your kind are more likely to give those people money. As for your opinion, I don't give it any respect... because your 'research' seems to be just a little flawed. Gotta improve your scientific method ...and your reading skills. _________________ Henri Ducard: Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share. Bruce Wayne: That's why it's so important. It separates us from them. |
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| cmartin |
Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 4:54 am
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You are coming off as quite the prick Elvis.
Why do you feel a need to attack me? " kickbacks from all the jackasses that are now profiting from his fiction... off people such as yourself" I am sorry my reading skills might not be up to snuff compared to yours oh exalted one, but the insults are out of line! If you don't have anything to add other then insults, then move along. |
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| Elvis |
Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 6:04 am
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cmartin wrote: You are coming off as quite the prick Elvis.
Why do you feel a need to attack me? " kickbacks from all the jackasses that are now profiting from his fiction... off people such as yourself" I am sorry my reading skills might not be up to snuff compared to yours oh exalted one, but the insults are out of line! If you don't have anything to add other then insults, then move along. Are you kidding me? lol I'm trying like, um superhard here NOT to insult you... yet you're accusing me of insulting you... which means your reading skills really do suck (which is not an insult but a 'truth') and really how can I help you? If I can't opine that you'd rather support Dan Brown's critics (including monetarily) before you give Dan Brown the time of day... and opine that your self-described research is not credible... and opine that your reading skills need to be brushed up on... and opine that you're a fucking hypocrite who blindly attacks anyone challenging your fundamentalist attitude... then what fun is debating? You obviously wanted this to happen when you yelled out "hoax". Don't get all cry-baby on me. Then I'd have to insult you. _________________ Henri Ducard: Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share. Bruce Wayne: That's why it's so important. It separates us from them. |
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| cmartin |
Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 3:47 pm
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Instead of yapping off about how poor my reading skills are, and how my research is not good enough, why don't you provide some actual thoughts on the subject.
What is your opinion of the so called Priory of Sion, or Jesus and Mary Magdelen, or the last supper painting, or anything to do with the plot of the movie/book? If you do not have an opinion on anything except me, go away and mess-up some other thread! |
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| atuuschaaw |
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 1:34 am
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What do you think about the Gospel of Mary and the Gospel of Peter and why do you think they weren't chosen by the early christians to be within the book?
_________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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| cmartin |
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 4:33 am
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As far as I know, the decision to canonize certain scriptures over others was done based on accurate historical information at the time.
When some of the books of the bible were written, the content was still within recent memory and therefor easy to determine what was factual and was not. If a book was excluded it was probably because the source was unreliable. At the time there were still people alive that wanted to paint Jesus as anything but the Son Of God, and I'm sure books were written to purposely try and confuse the issues. Even to this day there are those that like to re-write recent history to support their own beliefs, for example, those that claim the holocaust never happened, it was only 60 years ago, and there are still people alive that went through it, but 500 years from now when all the eyewitnesses are long gone there will still be the odd book or 2 hanging around claiming that it never happened, and it isn't too difficult to imagine that some gullable egghead will find one of those books and try and pass it off as an accurate account of what we know to be the truth. I can't say that I know exactly why certain books were excluded, but I'm positive it was with good reason. |
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| Elvis |
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 4:59 am
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That's why I love ya, cm... you say a ton of stupid things and then go and throw in a good one. That was a pretty decent rebuttal you gave atu there!
On another note, have you begun celebrating? The movie is being trashed by critics! Jesus must have pulled a few strings... it turns out that the acting/directing and movie in general sucked (aside from the 'story' you want to hush up). Those yahoos in the Catholic church surely didn't expect that one! _________________ Henri Ducard: Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share. Bruce Wayne: That's why it's so important. It separates us from them. |
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| CUPE_Reformer |
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:06 am
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Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 241 Location: Real Solidarity |
cmartin wrote: What is your opinion of the so called Priory of Sion, or Jesus and Mary Magdelen, or the last supper painting, or anything to do with the plot of the movie/book? cmartin: I didn't read the book. In my opinion the Priory of Sion is a hoax. The Priory of Sion, Is The "Secret Organization" Fact Or Fiction? _________________ Real Solidarity |
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| atuuschaaw |
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:24 am
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Quote: Even to this day there are those that like to re-write recent history to support their own beliefs Oh no doubt, just as there are those who would use their political powers to hasten the end of history as we know it, in order to support their religious beliefs! _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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| cmartin |
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 1:55 pm
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It's too bad the movie is getting bad reviews(seriously), because IMO if you are going to release a movie that is sure to cause a stink, you should atleast do it well!
Why do you think I want to hush this movie/book up elvis? On the contrary, It can be a good thing when movies like this come out because it gets people thinking about Jesus, and causes them to search for answers. I was just curious what some of you thought about this, and wanted to know why you might believe it to be fact or fiction? |
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