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weiser
Post Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:26 pm

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Latest Zehrs/RCSS contract renewal negotiations bring no settlement but more talks being scheduled
April 21, 2006
The latest three-day round of negotiations aimed at achieving a renewal of the collective agreements at Zehrs Markets, Real Canadian Superstores, Loblaws and Fortinos wound up in the afternoon of Thursday, April 20, 2006 with no settlement but with a resolve on both sides to continue talks in the near future.
“Although a settlement was not reached there was meaningful dialogue on the issues of importance to our members,” says Scott Penner, President of UFCW Local 1977.

“While it cannot be said that we are close to a settlement there was enough progress to warrant further talks.”

Tentative dates have been set to continue negotiations on June 5-9, 2006.

Senior Ontario labour/management mediators Vic Pathe and David Joffe were on hand and played an active role in bringing the union and the company together to discuss the complex issues both sides have been trying to resolve for over a year.

The meeting this week in Niagara Falls was the fourth session of bargaining since early talks commenced. Loblaw Companies Limited, the parent company of all the banners, has agreed that it will continue to negotiate collectively with all three locals, even though the collective agreements would remain separate following any settlement.

Formal notice to bargain will be sent to the employer by the local unions to ensure that there are no undue delays in negotiating the renewal of these collective agreements that all expire by July 1st, 2006, with the exception of the Fortinos collective agreement which expires on June 12th, 2007.

“We remain determined to reach a settlement that is good for our members and helps bring stability to the industry,” said Penner. “Uncertainty is stressful for everyone but the certainty of a bad deal is even more stressful. That’s not the road we’re going to take as a union. Our members deserve better.”


The UFCW could drive that road blindfolded. They built the road and it's the only route that they know.

Don't give us no shit that "the certainty of a bad deal" is a thing of the past. It's the reality of today and the UFCW's future.
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SharynS
Post Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:23 pm

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That’s not the road we’re going to take as a union. Our members deserve better.
ufcw Penner did you really fuckin' say that? You're right about one thing - people do deserve better - so change or get the hell out of the way, please. My momma always said it's better if you ask politely.

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yankeebythewater
Post Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:15 am

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Being polite will get you no where.

Shit on - once - you can take it.

Shit on - X2 well.....

Shit on - X3 how far are you diggin' the well?

Add on X4??

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SharynS
Post Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:53 pm

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Oh contraire YBTW, I'm almost certain Penner will read my plea and turn over a new leaf. My only concern is that he may get the leaf confused with the almighty dollar, they are both green you know.

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taffy
Post Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:34 pm

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Come on Fortinos time to make a change///
do it now it may be the last chance/
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silverboy
Post Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:30 am

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Pearson
Post Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:45 pm

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Holding store meetings to influence members regarding coming negotiations is illegal in the US and i am pretty sure the same applies in Canada. If this is true, the local should be putting the boots to the employer in a big way and very quickly.

I do want to respond to your comments regarding Wal Mart sb. While there has been some instances cited where UFCW contracts are less than Wal Mart, the vast majority of workers do better under contract than they do under Wal Mart's "generosity."

For example, our Local 789 grocery contracts are posted on the union's website. While i was still president, i had pay scales for every big box store in the Twin Cities. There was no comparison; our contract was ion's better than anything they paid.

The one area non union is higher is in the starting pay. They know if they offer better starting wages they have a good chance of keeping workers from wanting a contract. The other thing is often a long service employee starts getting screwed the longer they are there. Turnover is essential to non union and without a contract, seniority becomes little more than a target on your back.

Wal Mart is hardly the model anyone should hold up when it comes to how they should treat workers. Their ethics and employee practices have been some of the worst on record in the past, and i doubt they will change anytime soon.

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weiser
Post Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:45 pm

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UFCW: C'mon boys, we can't give it all away. The dupes won't need us if there's nothing left to protect.

Loblaws: Now listen up chumps! Ya wouldn't want the whole story about the pension and how it's related to your last fleecing to wind up out in public -- now would you?

UFCW: Ahem.... Ah (choke) perhaps, maybe we could meet some more and talk some more......

BP, Loblaw took a bunch of Canadian UFCW presidents and suckups into your fair state to show them what a Wal-Mart was and how it operated in the US. The Loblaw guy had full intentions on beating Wal-Mart by replicating its operations.

In Canada we have two Wal-Marts -- one is unionized by the UFCW and the other is non-union. The primary difference in the way that they both operate is that they hang different signs on the fronts of the stores. One has a sign that says "Wal-Mart" and the other calls itself Superstore and Extra Foods.

Superstore has simply codified Wal-Mart Canada's working conditions and called it a Collective Agreement.
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SharynS
Post Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:07 am

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There is little doubt that what Westfair has attempted to do at some of its locations in BC, it will attempt to do at all. To this end, we may be calling on you asking for your assistance at some point in the not too distant future.
A whole new spin on call waiting....

westfair must have the old brookster hopping, no wonder he didn't even have time to dictate a new letter to the ofg members, and had to recycle january's letter to 1518's website last week.

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Pearson
Post Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:12 am

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Having read all of the letters from Brooke to members, all i can say is: pathetic!
The best he can muster is repeated "concern."
Lemme help ya Brooke:

Dear Members:
It is essential i send you this letter and want to be very clear. Your employer is trying to fuck you and your family. While they are trying to break the union and destroy the contract, what really matters is what they are doing to you.

It is time we pull out all stops. It is time we kick the living shit out of these assholes and make their fucking lives as miserable as humanly possible. Any and all actions we take should be personally geared at and towards the owners and their families.

I am disturbed that i need speak so bluntly, but the time for pleasentries is long past. We are in a war and our goal is to destroy the rotten bastards. We are committed to serving and protecting you and rest assured we will not stop until we have won this fight.

Please feel free to contact us with any and all ideas you have. We will quit playing by their rules and begin making our own. No quarter will be given.

In Solidarity:
Brooke Sundin.

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weiser
Post Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:59 am

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BP feel lucky that you weren't here to see the pathetic sight of Local 1518 members picketing Local 247 sites with all the happy 247 members working like little beavers inside. It's a lost cause when the UFCW can't even support it's own members. You sure didn't see any of the 247 reps out picketing the places. No, no, that would have been against the rules.

Y'know what was really pathetic? It was the signs. They begged passersby to "Honk" for support. Is there something terribly wrong when workers beg drivers to honk?

I guess it's less humiliating than begging other UFCW members to come out and support the strike. There's a chance that someone will honk, but not a chance in hell that a non-striking UFCW member will support those poor bastards.
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wm pasz
Post Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:54 pm

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Holding store meetings to influence members regarding coming negotiations is illegal in the US and i am pretty sure the same applies in Canada. If this is true, the local should be putting the boots to the employer in a big way and very quickly.


It's illegal up here too BP but the union would have to complain to the LRB about it. If the union is on-side with the employer and is willing to allow the meetings to go on, then nobody's going to put a stop to it.

The Canadian UFCW boys have been allowing Loblaw Co.'s to do this sort of stuff. I've heard a number of reports about this. One member reported that when he complained to his business rep about it he was told that the company has a right to talk to the members about negotiation and this is only fair. After all, the union is allowed to talk to the members about negotiations. It's really lame and very transparent what they're doing. It's getting harder and harder for the union reps to "sell" their lousy deals to the members. All this online chatter is causing problems and getting people thinking that maybe the union could do better at the bargaining table.

So, a whole different strategy is being employed. Softening up the members long in advance of bargaining up's the chances of getting the lousy deals ratified and also makes it possible for the union reps to say, "Hey, you guys met with company officials and heard what they had to say. If you didn't believe them when they said they needed a break on labour costs, you should have told them so at the time. They showed up at the bargaining table saying that a lot of members believed that these rollbacks were needed."

It's a real accomplishment in labour-management partnering.

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Pearson
Post Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:56 pm

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The Canadian UFCW boys have been allowing Loblaw Co.'s to do this sort of stuff. I've heard a number of reports about this.

Let me be very blunt about this...ABSOLUTE FUCKNG HORSEHIT! Sorry for the shout, but this is as wrong as Mikey and family using the pension trust as its own investment game.

When does the crap stop? When does the union start acting like a goddamned union? There are all kinds of folks reading this shit and have to sit in horror questioning who would condone this kind of behavior.

The reason the law forbids it is simple...it influences how workers vote. For the local to turn a blind is eye criminal and should be treated as such. It might be interesting for the members who are being held hostage to these meetings to file complaints with the local, copies to the International and more important, copies to the Canadian version of the NLRB.

It also may prove valuable for us to post a downloadable copy of the law so members can print it out and distribute it at their workplace. We have long held that educating the members is the best thing we can do and this is a great opportunity to expose both the employer and the union for what they are.

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SharynS
Post Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:18 pm

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The Canadian UFCW boys have been allowing Loblaw Co.'s to do this sort of stuff.
Here at ufcw 1518 central, it's motto is not to interfere in the way an employer does it's business. Correct me if I'm wrong but, that's a long way from looking after people's interests.

The local's first consideration in any dispute is to consider and then ensure that business isn't interupted or that the interuption and impact is minimal. I think the 1518's braintrust runs on the theory that if the institution falls then the inmates would have no place to go and of course, there would be no need for the systems wardens. Rolling Eyes

ufcw has simply become the middleman.

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ross53
Post Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:16 pm

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THEY ARE PATHETIC.

www.ufcw135.org

Home page left side you see the "WORKERS"
CLICK THERE AND IT WILL TAKE YOU TO THE WORKER MAY 2006.
"SCLICK MICKEY AND JACQUES LOVEALL. AND RELETED STORY

"GOOD READING"
"union officials earntheir paycheck by betraying the union members"Ross53 Cool
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