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Mulligan
Post Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 12:41 am

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Because you're not impelling minds with the "answers", instead providing the tools and abilities to examine any of a set of possibilities.


Nonsense. You know as well as I do that that isn’t what has happened over the last fifty years [in the US anyway.] “Providing the tools and abilities to examine any of a set of possibilities,” sounds good, but it’s more surely argle-bargle for pre-determined “answers” provided by humanist/atheist culture engineers.

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…how about tolerance?


I don’t know that the teachings of Christ were ever intolerant toward people of other religions. Based on His teachings however, Christianity does not recognize other religions as the truth unless there is mutual agreement on the New Testament concept of Salvation.

With that in mind, it is unlikely that Christian belief is going to rest very easily alongside such aggressive beliefs as Islam, or for that matter Hinduism, Shinto, Buddhism, or what-not that does not share the faith according to the above mentioned. Of course the adherents of those religions feel the same toward Christianity.

But what is a religious fundamentalist after all? Isn’t he someone who actually believes his own ideology?* The real crux of this whole argument is that fundamentalists make us uncomfortable because they have not managed to gloss over their own beliefs to the point that they become acceptable to the general mass of culture and society.

Therefore the current idea of tolerance, which came in with the same mentally confusing fog that brought us diversity, multiculturalism, political correctness, and finally cultural suicide [kind of like the symptoms of a disease that ends in the demise of its victim], -is really ‘code-speak’ for the culturally acceptable practice of not taking one’s own belief system seriously.

The term ‘tolerance’ then, is one of the ‘code-speak’ words that imply ‘correctness,’ or lack thereof, in one’s attitude toward culture and society. Quoting myself earlier in the thread; it is “an Orwellian … method of pro-scribing ‘incorrect’ behavior, and pre-scribing, or enforcing, ‘approved’ behavior on civilization.


*With a little thanks to Slavoz Zizek who develops this thought more fully in his latest book: “The Parallax View.” Zizek is quite ‘Liberal’ in his ideology btw.

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SharynS
Post Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 1:16 am

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gobbledee gook? Mull you coulda' just said 'ain't no-one ever seen it yet so it can't be'. Mr. Green Rolling Eyes

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Post Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:32 am

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gobbledee gook?


No, Argle-Bargle. Sorry, I must'a had the throttle turned up a notch too high.

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Post Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:37 am

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But didn't you like the part about:

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Therefore the current idea of tolerance, which came in with the same mentally confusing fog that brought us diversity, multiculturalism, political correctness, and finally cultural suicide [kind of like the symptoms of a disease that ends in the demise of its victim], -is really ‘code-speak’ for the culturally acceptable practice of not taking one’s own belief system seriously.


I thought that was pretty good.

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Post Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:47 am
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Nonsense. You know as well as I do that that isn't what has happened over the last fifty years


What has been has nothing to do with it, we're talking about what should be.

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"Providing the tools and abilities to examine any of a set of possibilities," sounds good, but it's more surely argle-bargle for pre-determined "answers" provided by humanist/atheist culture engineers.


No, actually it's not. It's operating principles, frameworks, and methods. It's saying "here is a problem" and "here are the ways we can approach it". Which is undeniably superior, more useful, less evil, and less likely to breed a nation of drones than "god works in mysterious ways".

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The question was, "What have we gained in the last fifty years by driving Christian teaching out of the public class room?", and the answer given was tolerance.

The definition of tolerance is quite simple: "The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others."

So, instead of intentially confusing the issue with your pseudo-philosophical "argle-bargle", how about addressing it within the context of the original question?

Either tolerance has been gained, or it hasn't. Either tolerance is a positive attribute, or it isn't.

I still like to see what we've lost as well.

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Mulligan
Post Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 3:04 am

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So, instead of intentially confusing the issue with your pseudo-philosophical "argle-bargle", how about addressing it within the context of the original question?


It's too much trouble. We pseudo-philosophers are a lazy bunch.

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Post Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 3:07 am
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Figures.

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Post Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:29 pm

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But didn't you like the part about:
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Therefore the current idea of tolerance, which came in with the same mentally confusing fog that brought us diversity, multiculturalism, political correctness, and finally cultural suicide [kind of like the symptoms of a disease that ends in the demise of its victim], -is really ‘code-speak’ for the culturally acceptable practice of not taking one’s own belief system seriously
Yeah not bad, although I've not heard the one about engaging in or practicing "current tolerance". I didn't know we were on that page. But that aside and, once past the gobbledee gook, it did cut right to the problem - lies and more lies, rhetoric and more rhetoric, patches and more patches.

It's really not that difficult to get to the other side Mull, just toss out everything you're currently reading which was published by, for, or in the interest of America and its White Christian patriarchy" and you're home free. A big light will appear but don't be afraid, it's just the rest of us. Wink

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Post Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 1:58 pm

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If you were the king of the world, what would you do –abolish religion? Would you pick one religion and abolish all the others?

I personally don't seek the destruction of any religion or spiritualism. It's just that religion is one of the strongest social barriers which has kept, and is still keeping the people separated. What I seek is the 'place' where the common working people, who make up 90% of the population of the earth, can come together and teach themselves, apart from the established practices. A place apart from the religiously inspired control. A new place where the economic fences are weakened by knowledge. A place where political barriers no longer have the power to keep us separated. What is needed is common ground! But as long as religion, economics, politics, and all the other socially engineered structures are utilized by the elitists to keep us fighting among ourselves, no common ground will be established! And humanity and civilization will continue to suffer imho!
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The Elitist Sacred Morality Story: We humans have long looked to stories of the sacred for meaning and moral guidance. By their nature sacred stories are a matter of faith rather than logic. A version of the sacred story favored by elitists who profess the Christian faith goes something like this.

Nothing happens in Creation except by the will of God who created the world in six days, gave his creation to man in return for strict obedience to his will, and in his infinite righteous judgment favors the obedient with wealth and power. Great wealth and power are thus a mark of the pure and righteous; poverty and suffering are a mark of impurity and disobedience. It is therefore both the due and the responsibility of those God has identified as the righteous to pass judgment on others and to make and enforce the rules that others must follow in the market place, politics, and relations among nations.

The Elitist Secular Morality Story: For secularists more inclined to look to science for insights into the moral order, the elitists turn to the story line of social Darwinism.

In nature progress comes through a competitive struggle in which the fit triumph, the unfit perish, and the species grows stronger. As with other species, so is it true for humans. The victors prove their worth by virtue of their victory and have every right to claim the rewards that are their due without guilt or concern for those who perish in the struggle.

It is important to recognize that these morality stories are more than statements of values. Although morally flawed, they presume to offer answers to deeper questions of meaning and purpose useful in making sense of what often seems an arbitrary and hostile world.


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Mulligan
Post Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:01 pm

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Siggy wrote:

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America’s imperialist ruling class of wealthy and corporate elites has been pummeling the poor, minorities, and the working class with impunity for years.


So you want me to join you in the glorious struggle for freedom from the corporate/capitalist whatsit on the basis of that article? Perhaps your side could use a good writer.

It’s interesting, btw, that this writer begins and ends his piece with the imagery of raw, powerful, and savage force –Mike Tyson the boxer at the beginning, and “pit bull-like jaws” at the end. There’s also the “Ruthless Onslaught” of imperialist America in the title of his piece.

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the current idea of tolerance


You misread me here I think. But I take it right kindly that you would invite me to the other side. Perhaps I would, after all see the big light you mentioned, and hopefully it wouldn’t come from one of those vicious Mike Tyson uppercuts that your writer admires so much.

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Post Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:59 pm

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Siggy wrote:
No, Jason Miller "wrote:" - all siggy did was provide a link.
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Perhaps I would, after all see the big light you mentioned, and hopefully it wouldn’t come from one of those vicious Mike Tyson uppercuts that your writer admires so much.
You have an uncanny way of diverting the focus Mull. Was there something you found disturbing in the article's content that you'd rather not discuss?

Miller's use of 'tyson-like' brutality in conjunction with his distain of "Capitalist Imperialism" hardly denotes admiration, quite the opposite. It indicates an equal distain - one stupidity magnifying the stupidity of the other.

"A revitalized labor movement on a global scale could very well be our means to snatch victory from [the soft downy underbelly] of Capitalist Imperialism" - see Mull it just wouldn't work.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:43 am

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Oi! First it’s the Tyson Punch, and the Jaws of the Pit Bull; then it’s the ‘soft downy underbelly.’ This is definitely not Hemingway-esque writing.

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A revitalized labor movement on a global scale could very well be our means to snatch victory from [the soft downy underbelly] of Capitalist Imperialism


Actually I’ve always had the idea that labor needs capitalism. Otherwise how would we be able to buy our pick-up trucks and beer? But I’ll go along with you on the “…revitalized labor movement… ,” er what’s left of it.

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Was there something you found disturbing in the article's content that you'd rather not discuss?


Na, It’s the usual warmed over, lumpen proletariat fodder. I’d be glad to discuss any of it. In fact I was temped to do a subject-by-subject critique of it, but that’s very much like dragging out one’s grocery list of complaints when there are more positive things to talk about. Or I could go over and aggravate AT for a while –whatever.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:58 am

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Your choice, should I let AT know you're on your way or would you rather just sneak up and yell surprise? Mr. Green

A subject-to-subject critique would be what I expected, I'm disappointed.

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