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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:48 am

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I have come to the conclusion that the Christian fundamentalists, also known as the religious right, are the most evil people in the world. Others, such as those of various Islamic terrorist groups, were considered, but after due consideration, the Christians won……. hands down. In fact it was no contest.

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The Apocalypse is a very powerful driving force in American politics. The belief that the earth's people are living in the End Times is so prevalent that fundamentalists actually welcome the destruction of our enviroment and it's peoples in order to hasten the coming Apocalypse! And the fact that a very large number of our law makers and elected officials hold these beliefs is disconcerting to say the least! The welcoming of the earth's destruction lies in a religious faith system and has absolutely nothing to do with reasoning.

Bring on the rapture; bring on the tribulation; and let's get this Armageddon between God and Satan over with! Send all the unbelievers into the pits of hell and let the true believers reign in peace over a newer, greener earth! Now that's true enviromentalism!

In a theocracy, there is no room left for democracy!

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"Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land -- of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ," writes reconstructionist George Grant. Christian dominion will be achieved by ending the separation of church and state, replacing U.S. democracy with a theocracy ruled by Old Testament law, and cutting all government social programs, instead turning that work over to Christian churches. Reconstructionists also would abolish government regulatory agencies, such as the U.S. EPA, because they are a distraction from their goal of Christianizing America, and subsequently, the rest of the world. "World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish," says Grant. "We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never settle for anything less." Only when that conquest is complete can the Lord return.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:41 pm

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I believe that "fearful" people are the most dangerous people on earth. There are few, if any, religeous fundamentalists who aren't driven by fear.

They are willing to slaughter and maim fearing what might become of their omnipotent God if they didn't protect "him" from the "evil" ones.

They live by a tenet that good will eventually win over evil, but they seem to fear the validity of that tenet.

They are so blinded by their fear.
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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:16 pm

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Throughout recorded history, there has been violence associated with religion. The violence has ranged from the death penalty of non-Christians in the early days, the violent Crusades, the Inquisitions, the reformation, to what we see today in the hastening of the End of Times. I have never been able to understand the meaning of a Holy War! How ludicrous is it that these two words occupy the same space?!

I agree that fear is the key ingredient in violence and Christianity will never be able to eliminate it's potential for the growth of violence until the elements of fear, which constitute such a key role in the religion's structure, can be eliminated. There is no doubt that fear is a poweful incentive. All the top-down structures have been using it for thousands of years and it still works to keep the people in their place while forcing them to do the bidding of the hierarchial command. And the strange thing is, it's done with the approval of the people, and they actually believe it's their idea! Now that's some very good PR! Mr. Green

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:23 pm

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atuuschaaw wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that the Christian fundamentalists, also known as the religious right, are the most evil people in the world. Others, such as those of various Islamic terrorist groups, were considered, but after due consideration, the Christians won……. hands down. In fact it was no contest.

atuuschaaw:

How do you feel about the consumers of child pornography?

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Child pornography has become a multi-billion dollar commercial enterprise and is among the fastest growing businesses on the Internet.

In 2001, the CyberTipline operated by NCMEC had received more than 24,000 reports of child pornography. By the beginning of 2006, that number had climbed to more than 340,000.


Financial and Internet Industries to Combat Internet Child Pornography

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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:45 pm

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How do you feel about the consumers of child pornography?


CR, I'm against exploitation of any kind. The exploitation of human beings is a despicable trait of some people it seems! As far as the consumers of child pornography, I despise consumerism of any kind also and the people who seemingly are addicted to pornography are aiding in the exploitation IMHO! But how are you linking child pornography with Christian fundamentalists and their desire to bring about the end of times? Are you saying they are the most evil people in the world rather than the CFs?

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:31 pm
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I wouldn't restrict the evil label to just the fundamentalists. The entire notion of christianity is noxious.

Anyways, here's a related article:

The Christian paradox
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How can a faithful nation get Jesus so wrong? What it means to be Christian in America today.

It is said that only 40 per cent of Americans can name more than four of the Ten Commandments and a scant half can cite any of the four authors of the Gospels. Twelve per cent believe Joan of Arc was Noah's wife. This failure to recall the specifics of Christianity may be further evidence of the nation's educational decline but it probably doesn't matter all that much in spiritual or political terms.

Here is a statistic that does matter: 75 per cent of Americans believe the Bible teaches that God helps those who help themselves. That is, three out of four Americans believe that this notion, at the core of American politics and culture and which was in fact uttered by Ben Franklin, appears in Holy Scripture. And Franklin's homily is counterbiblical.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:06 pm

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atuuschaaw wrote:
Are you saying they are the most evil people in the world rather than the CFs?

atuuschaaw:

Yes (the consumers of child pornography).

Christian churches do good. Kairos

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atuuschaaw
Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:11 pm

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CR, did you read the entire article? What's your take on this paragraph?

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Although not necessarily a fundamental, but as a result of their contention that the Bible indicates that all authority is given (and therefore inspired) by God, fundamentalists have been led to believe that it is unpatriotic, and therefore unchristian, to question the divine right of what our country has found it necessary to do……. regardless of how heinous.


While I agree with Kelsey when he says we shouldn't restrict evil to only the fundamentalist Christians, the article is on Christian fundamentalism and the evil which is produced by it's follower's beliefs and actions. What are your thoughts on the validity of this article?

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:43 pm

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atuuschaaw wrote:
CR, did you read the entire article? What's your take on this paragraph?

What are your thoughts on the validity of this article?

atuuschaaw:

Yes, I did read the entire article several times.

The Bible is full of contradictions and it is often applied selectively.

In my opinion the article is unnecessary, inflammatory and hate literature.

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:49 pm

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The Bible is full of contradictions and it is often applied selectively.


I don't think the article is dealing with the contradictions or selective interpretations of the Bible, but rather it's referring to the Christian right and their use of fundamentalist doctrines in domestice and foreign politics. As in this quote: "Falling right into line, they began to look upon the neo-conservative leadership of our nation (George Walker Bush, Richard Bruce Cheney, Donald Henry Rumsfeld, et al.) as men inspired by God, men, no doubt, appointed by God to take charge of the world, and to do whatever they might deem to be necessary in order to redeem the world."

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In my opinion the article is unnecessary, inflammatory and hate literature.


I'm not so sure about unnecessary. If politicians can turn the Iraq fiasco into a "Good vs. Evil" stage rather than a "Have Oil vs. Have Not Oil" stage, then I think this sort of article is necessary! If corporate interests, with all-out government support, can exploit millions of American Christians by linking rampant environmental destruction with visions of Armageddon and the Rapture, then I think this sort of article is necessary!

Inflammatory? Maybe! But the destruction of human beings and the entire planet for the purpose of hastening Armageddon is pretty damn inflammatory also don't you think?!

Hate literature? I wouldn't call it hate literature. I'd call it literature of a very concerned human being who can see where we are heading and who is leading us there!

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:16 pm

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There are too many Christians around the world amassing great personal wealth, exploiting their throngs of believers, and committing atrocities in the name of their redeemer. They have used their influence throughout the ages to conquer peaceful people under the guise of saving souls, only to turn the spoils over to a political agenda that manages the booty and keeps the vanquished under their thumbs. The churches get their tax-free cut, and go on to the next project.

Now, there is nothing worse IMHO than calling on the Creator to help you assuage your conscience when you commit genocidal atrocities, or inflict great collateral damage in an unnecessary conflict----Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindi, Buddhist or whatever. There is something particularly creepy about folks who get off on victimizing children for sexual satisfaction, or commit the rape of family members under some misguided notion that "the scripture" gives them the right to behave in an illegal and immoral fashion.

I'm raised Catholic, named after a saint who was a conquered Native American convert. But the Church and I don't have a relationship anymore. I don't even know that when I die I'll be buried in the manner of my lapsed faith. This has never stoped me from being a good person; if nothing else, I was saved from hypocrisy.

The sheer numbers of Christian converts world-wide---particularly in Asia---should give you pause. South Korean churches have an active and on going citizenship campaign to migrate here! Why is it illegal to practice Falun Gong in China, but the Catholic Church is open for business? Why is the war between Christians and Muslims so heated in Indonesia and the Phillipines? Are they fighting for supreme control over volcanoes and typhoons? You got me. If they're busy fighting each other, though, who is running the show?

In the US, the Christian Right is systematically called to the ballot box in large numbers---especially when a wegde issue is added to the mundane candidate choices. They may not have been wild about Bush and Chaney, but they will turn out in droves to keep gays from marrying, or to curb abortion rights.

This is not to say that all religious people are mindless sheep. I have very strong and sincere beliefs, and the road I walk is between me and my Creator---and no one else's concern. But when I make choices, good, bad or indifferent, they won't be blamed on any deity.

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cmartin
Post Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:58 am

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That article is crap through and through.
For the author to say that me and my family are more evil human beings then terrorists because we believe in Jesus and the bible is a joke.
I can't remember the last time I strapped a bomb to my ass and wandered into a public place hoping to to murder and mame some innocent women and children.

The clown who wrote it needs to give his head a shake and start researching all the wonderful things that churches and affiliated organizations do for absolute strangers day after day.

Sure there are some groups that have serious problems, but they are definatly in the minority.
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Post Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:43 am
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I can't remember the last time I strapped a bomb to my ass and wandered into a public place hoping to to murder and mame some innocent women and children.


Is dropping bombs from a plane somehow less evil?

Perhaps we could use body counts as an "evil" metric.

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The clown who wrote it needs to give his head a shake and start researching all the wonderful things that churches and affiliated organizations do for absolute strangers day after day.


Church affiliation is not a prerequisite for doing wonderful things.

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Sure there are some groups that have serious problems, but they are definatly in the minority.


You mean like the suicide bombers?

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:14 pm

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I never said that church affiliation was a prerequisite to do those things, but to ignore the fact that many chuch organizations do a lot to help people in need is very wrong.

I will agree that purposely dropping bombs from a plane on to innocent people is just as bad as walking into a nightclub and blowing yourself up, but I don't see that being the case here.

There are always going to be minority groups within organizations that have their heads up their asses, but the author doen't say that, he paints all christians (myself included) as the most evil people on the planet.

If I were to write an article and make the same blanket statement about any other religion, I would be lynched for spreading hate propaganda, but because he is talking about Christians I guess it is okay Rolling Eyes
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