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| SharynS |
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter |
Whatever works I suppose WJ, tho with the amount of dues ufcw takes in, the staff it supports, that's not to mention that keeping tab on employer obligations is pretty much the job description, it's kinda scary to think they're scanning discussion forums to find out what to do next eh.
I'm not at all familiar with "PPO's"? - what's to confirm that the money has been credited? Do People receive account statements on a regular basis so they know what's in their account? So exactly how long does it take to save up for say a heart surgery? _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| John Briley |
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Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 704 |
Quote: It is simply astounding to me that with “Our Benefits Under Attack” , including the “Employer’s Proposals For Rollbacks and Takeaways” that UFCW President’s Ron Lind, Jacques Loveall and Michael Sharpe continue to sit on their “collective asses”, including refusing to take any kind of action and or demonstrate any militancy toward these three (3) Food Employer’s while they try and decimate our Union Contracts!
Clearly the time has come for our Northern Ca. UFCW Leadership, including the I.U., to start applying pressure @ targeted stores throughout Local 5, 8 and 648’s jurisdictions by informing the public what these Food Employer’s are attempting to do! I am not talking about striking these Employers’s. What I am suggesting is that in conjunction with our on going Negotiations with these Employer’s, additional pressure must be applied by the UFCW by conducting “informational picketing, leafleting, etc…… at targeted stores within our jurisdictions. The Employer’s would go crazy! What could they do? We are still Negotiating, our Members are still working and our customer’s would be informed of our three (3) Food Employer’s intentions to screw our Active Members & Retirees with their current proposals on the table!!! To my point above, once again here is one of our Belligerent Employer's, (Raleys / Nob Hill), spouting off in the Sac Bee with more of their Bull-Shit!!!!! Raley's Says Prolonged Labor Talks Costing It Millions, Will Bargain On Its Own http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/02/4234440/raleys-says-prolonged-labor-talks.html Sac Bee / February 2, 2012 By Dale Kasler Quote: The company is seeking about $18 million worth of annual savings, mostly through cutbacks in health expenses, according to a memo sent to employees late Wednesday by Chief Executive Michael Teel. The lack of a new contract since the old pact expired four months ago has cost Raley's about $6 million, he said.
The mere fact that UFCW President's Ron Lind (Local 5), Jacques Loveall, (Local Eight) and Michael Sharpe (Local 648) allow this double-breasted Employer to continue to carry on this way without any retribution, is an absolute embarrassment!!!!! We continue to wait and see "if" and "when" the Unions will have the courage to severely spank (Raleys / Nob Hill)????? |
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| SharynS |
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Quote: ...has cost Raley's about $6 million, he said. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| Bill Sable |
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Joined: 14 Feb 2009 Posts: 272 |
Sharyn, while I hesitate to offer explanation of any part of this country's healthcare system to a citizen of a country with a much more intelligible way of doing things [ Here goes. In general: Under the NorCal UFCW Trust a grocery member: (1) can go to any doctor, facility, etc. he/she chooses; the cost to the member can go up to 50.% if the doc/hospital/etc. is outside the system. So if I opt to go to the Mayo Clinic, it's going to cost me some money. (2) one can opt for Kaiser, an all-in-one doc/hospitalization/etc. establishment. (3) one can opt for another HMO (Health Maintenance Organization) which are similar to Kaiser in some respects; HMO's were the "wave of the future" a couple of decades ago - not so much these days. (4) a member can opt to utilize the Trust's PPO network. PPO stands for "Preferred Provider Option" which is, essentially, a long, long list of docs/hospitals/facilities/labs/etc. who have contractually agreed with the Trust to provide services at a specific cost/rate. Example: when I go into CPMC for chemo, the "street price" might be $47,000. for the 3 days; with the PPO discount the price (to the Trust) is $10,000. Now, a couple of contracts ago, the annual out-of-pocket expenses to members increased to just under $2,000. i.e. a member would be charged (via co-payment, etc.) up to that maximum (more or les for singles, people with families, and whether the member was in Plan A ,B or C). But, under these contracts, if a member filled out an annual HRQ (an anonymous questionaire, typically due into the Trust by 31 Jan in a given year), the member received up to a $200. credit/subtraction from their out-of-pocket maximum. Bottom line: if you have chosen PPO status and you fill out the HRQ, you can save yourself $200. per year. The problem this year has been: (1) the choice of status which every member must make by 1 November annually was postponed because of negotiations - members were informed of this but where that left each member's status was unexplained by the Trust; and (2) up until yesterday's message there was no indication that members (who had in the past opted for PPO status) would be able to obtain that $200. HRQ credit even though we are working under the extended contract. Now that apparently is settled: the HRQ will be sent/availible and members for have opted for PPO status will be able to get that credit for 2012. Call me old-fashioned but $200. is alot of money and it will be nice to have that credit. Thanks, again, UNCHARTED... |
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| Inside Lurker |
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Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 114 |
It would appear by a recent email floating around the net that our brother John Briley is seriously losing his patients with the UFCW's leadership and grocery employers stalling tactics regarding the Northern California grocery negotiations.
In this email brother Briley lays out some very valid points and questions to Local 5 president Ron Lind. These questions should be being asked by every active member and retiree of the three local unions involved with these negotiations. Rumor has it at the last Local 5 Town Hall Meeting on Feb 2, 2011 there was a small group of Local 5 members that hammered Lind about his 66% wage "increase" and his recent trip to Florida. It's ashamed that more UFCW members are not hammering their local leaders with such powerful questions. Below is the following email sent to Local 5 president Ron Lind by brother Briley. Quote: Hello Ron ---- I wanted to take this opportunity to follow up with you concerning Local 5's Town Hall Meeting scheduled on Thursday, February 2, 2012 in San Francisco. I appreciated the opportunity to be able to watch the entire program over the Internet.
Once again, I would like to commend you / staff and thank you for your on going commitment / effort to inform / provide Local 5 Retirees & Active members with the latest information concerning Food Negotiations via the Internet, Local 5's website, mailings, etc.... I do however, need for you to clarify something for me that you stated during your presentation at the Town Hall Meeting. Specifically, it was my understanding that you indicated that the Unions were prohibited from taking any kind of action in front of our Employer stores based on existing Contract language? Is that correct? If that is correct, would you be so kind as to provide me with specific existing contract language, including all letters of understanding, etc., that supports your position as it would apply to (Raleys / Nob Hill), (SaveMart / Luckys) and (Safeway / Vons) that would prohibit UFCW Local's #5, #8 and #648 from taking action in front of our Employer stores. With the exception of the existing Contract language we have with Safeway, which we both know UFCW Members / Retirees here in Northern Ca. continue to be haunted by the specific UFCW / Safeway, Sec. 17.1 Contract Language negotiated by the Loveall Regime, I must disagree with your position that we can not take action in front of the other Employer's stores. For whatever it is worth, clearly the time has come for our Northern Ca. UFCW Leadership, including the I.U., to immediately start applying pressure @ targeted stores throughout Local 5, 8 and 648’s jurisdictions by informing the public what these Food Employer’s are attempting to do to our Active Members and especially with the current Employer's proposal to eliminate Retiree Health Benefit coverage during these Food Negotiations! I am not talking about striking these Employer's. What I am suggesting is that in conjunction with our on going Negotiations with these Employer’s, additional pressure must be applied by the UFCW by conducting “informational picketing, leafleting, etc…… at targeted stores within our jurisdictions. The Employer’s would go crazy! What could they do? We are still Negotiating, our Members are still working and our customer’s would be informed of our three (3) Food Employer’s intentions to screw our Active Members & Retirees with their current proposals on the table!!! We both know that this tactic was very effective several years back with the Bay Area Coalition under the outstanding Leadership from Jim Grogan, currently Local 5's Organizing Director. Ron, based on the above, I thought that it would be appropriate to examine the various Strike or Lockout Language found in the (Raleys / Nob Hill), (SaveMart / Lucky) and (Safeway / Vons) Contracts for 2007-2011 to determine what “if” any contract language restrictions would prohibit / hinder UFCW Local 5, 8, 648 including the I.U., from engaging in informational picketing / handbilling etc., in front of these Employer’s stores. The following information was taken directly from the following UFCW Local 5 Food and Meat Agreements. UFCW Food and Meat Agreements between UFCW Local 5 and Nob Hill General Store from December 2, 2007 to and including October 11, 2011. [b] Section 19. Strike Or Lockout (Page 57.) 19.1 During the life of this Agreement, the Union agrees not to engage in any strike or stoppage of work. 19.2 During the life of this Agreement, the Employer agrees not to engage in any lockout. 19.3 Refusal of any employee covered by the terms of this Agreement to pass through any lawful primary picket line which has been sanctioned by the Central Labor Council of proper jurisdiction and/or the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union shall not constitute a violation of this Agreement. [/b] UFCW Food and Meat Agreements between UFCW Local 5 and SaveMart Supermarkets from December 2, 2007 to and including October 8, 2011. Section 20. Strike Or Lockout (Page 43.) 20.1 No Strike: During the life of this Agreement, the Union agrees not to engage in any strike or stoppage of work as long as the Employer has not committed an act held by the Adjustment Board or Arbitrator to be in violation of this Agreement, or the Employer is not in clear violation of a provision of this Agreement where no question of interpretation is involved. 20.2 No Lockout: During the life of this Agreement, the Employer agrees not to engage in any lockout as long as the Union has not committed an act held by the Adjustment Board or Arbitrator to be in violation of this Agreement or the Union is not in clear violation of this Agreement where no question of interpretation is involved. 20.3 No Violation: Refusal of any employee covered by the terms of this Agreement to pass through any picket line which has been sanctioned by the Central Labor Council of proper jurisdiction and/or the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union shall not constitute a violation of this Agreement. UFCW Food and Meat Agreements between UFCW Local 5 and Safeway Food Stores from December 2, 2007 to and including October 6, 2011. Section 17. Strike Or Lockout (Page 107.) 17.1 (Food and Meat) During the life of the Agreement, the Union agrees not to engage in any stoppage of work. Furthermore, the Union and its representatives, including store representatives, agree not to boycott, handbill, publicly disparage or engage in any adverse economic action against the Employer’s stores covered by this Agreement. This provision does not apply in any of the Employer’s stores where the Union has not been recognized by the Employer as the employees’ bargaining representative. 17.2 (Food) During the life of this Agreement the Employer agrees not to engage in any lockout. 17.3 (Food) Refusal of any Employee covered by the terms of this Agreement to pass through any lawful primary picket line, which has been sanctioned by the Central Labor Council of proper jurisdiction and/or the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union shall not constitute a violation of this Agreement. 17.4 (Meat) Notwithstanding any other provisions of this Agreement to the contrary, it shall not be a violation of this Agreement for any person covered by this Agreement to refuse to cross any lawful primary picket line or to refuse to work behind any lawful primary picket line; and such refusal shall not constitute grounds for or cause for discharge, layoff, demotion, suspension, or any other disciplinary action. 17.5 (Meat) There shall be no strikes, lockouts or other forms of work stoppage while any matter, dispute or grievance is under process of adjustment or arbitration as provided for herein. In conjunction with Section 17 here is the applicable Letter of Understanding between UFCW Local 5 and Safeway (Page 148.): The Employers agree that Section 17.1 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement does not prevent the Union from assisting the employees covered by the Agreement from filing any state or federal lawsuit which is designed to enforce any state or federal employee protection law or laws. Further, the Employers agree that the Union can be party to such lawsuits. The Employers further agree that Section 17.1 of the Agreement does not prevent the Employees covered by the Agreement does not prevent the Employees covered by the Agreement from personally boycotting and/or hand billing the Employer. After reviewing all three (3) contracts, clearly with the exception of Safeway, the UFCW Local and I.U. Leadership have the contract language to support various types of actions at the other two (2) Employer store locations throughout Northern Ca. Which brings me back to my request for clarification from you. Assuming all of the above information is accurate, I am curious as to why you would infer at the Town Hall Meeting held on 2/2/12 that Local 5 would be prohibited from taking action at specific Food Employer's Stores involved with these Negotiations. Looking forward to your response / clarification. Thank You for your time. John Briley It will be interesting to see if Lind responds to brother Briley or if he suddenly goes mute! |
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| unionnow |
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Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail |
This all comes down to a 10 cent can of peas. A non-union grocer can sell a 10 cent can of peas. A union grocer has to charge 30 cents for that same can of peas.
The basket is far cheaper at the non-union grocers. The public is not stupid. They are being squeezed and are pinching pennies. The UFCW has chosen to be what it is. Non organizing or organizing thru mergers, paying inflated salaries, stifling competition among employees to be better at doing what unions are meant to do, nepotism, sycophantism, laziness, stupidity, tolerating old lazy union presidents and keeping them on the payroll. We know how this is going to end. We know the union needs dues paying members no matter what happens to the contract. You can keep squawking but few are listening. The members are completely disarmed and I am sure super bowl Sunday has far more importance in their everyday lives than their union contract. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2) |
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| John Briley |
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Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 704 |
Quote: Workers at Safeway/Vons and Save Mart/Lucky are covered by an extension that will last at least until Feb. 25.
After that, the extension will continue on a day-to-day basis, subject to seven days’ advance notice by any party that wishes to cancel the extension. In the meantime, the contract with Raley’s/Nob Hill has been extended to Feb. 29 and the Bel Air contract has been extended to April 29. Local 8's most recent Negotiation Update: http://yourbreadandbutter.com/news/industry-discussions/78-solidarity-2012-more-faqs Including: http://yourbreadandbutter.com/images/solidarityalliance4.pdf Additionally, here is Local 5's most recent Negotiation Update: http://ufcw5.org/ENegotiationsUpdate15.pdf6.pdf Needless to say, all three (3) UFCW Local Unions (5 ,8 & 648), continue to demonstrate their "Paper Tiger Reputation" by refusing to engage these Employer's in front of their stores by " at least trying to" apply some pressure and forcing these Employer's to "withdraw" their unreasonable demands. Until such time as the three (3) UFCW President's grow a pair and start demonstrating some militancy towards, Raleys / Nob Hill, Safeway / Vons / & Savemart / Luckys, Northern Ca. UFCW Members / Retirees are going to get screwed!! Here it is almost three (3) months since we were informed of the Employer's outrageous contract proposals..... http://ufcw5.org/ENegotiationsUpdate10BPDF.pdf .....and as of today's date, all three (3) UFCW Local Union's / President's have failed miserably at behaving like an aggressive Labor Union and or doing anything to negatively impact / hurt these Employer's thru various militant actions in front of their stores!! UFCW President's Ron Lind, Jacques Loveall & Michael Sharpe, it is time for each of you to shit or get off the pot!! |
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| unionnow |
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Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail |
Quote: Until such time as the three (3) UFCW President's grow a pair and start demonstrating some militancy towards, Raleys / Nob Hill, Safeway / Vons / & Savemart / Luckys, Northern Ca. UFCW Members / Retirees are going to get screwed!! Retreat could be a form of militancy in some cases. Unfortunatley, the only concern is how high to lift the free pizza before it hits your mouth, how many free drinks you can have, how long you can stay on the payroll, and so on. Lets come down to reality. Its about how much per capita is coming in. Nothing else really matters much more than that. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2) |
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| John Briley |
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Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 704 |
Quote: Raley's-Nob Hill Members to Receive Special Update
This week a special communication was mailed to UFCW Local 5 members employed by Raley's and Nob Hill. In the letter Local 5 President Ron Lind outlines the specific difficulties standing in the way of a contract settlement at those companies. First among the road blocks to progress is Raley's intransigent demand that health benefit costs be slashed for existing and retired members immediately, without justifying why they should be. The company has not shown adequate proof as to why any wages or benefits should be reduced much less shredded. http://ufcw5.org/ENegotiationsUpdate15.pdf6.pdf With everything that is taking place with these Food Negotiations, the Union's strategy with Raleys / Nob Hill is bizarre / extremely weak to say the least! Here we have the "Smallest Employer" in Northern California that happens to be the "Largest Double Breasted Employer" in Northern California being the "Biggest Asshole" with their unreasonable contract demands and basically spanking the three (3) UFCW Local Unions unmercifully, including and without UFCW President's Lind, Loveall & Sharpe having the courage / cojones to do anything to stop it????? Absolutely Pathetic!!!!! However, we do have UFCW Local 8's President Jacques Loveall proclaiming / declaring on behalf of the three (3) Northern Ca. UFCW Local Unions at their Solidarity Alliance's Unity Summit Meeting held on January 11, 2012 the following: http://yourbreadandbutter.com/images/solidarityalliance4.pdf Quote: The gathering was "charged with the energy of Solidarity," President Loveall said.
"We stand shoulder to shoulder and have each other's back," he continued. "Nothing will divide us." The only back(s) that Local 8 has ever been concerned about protecting is their own Local 8's Staff's Backs!!!! For those of you who may doubt me, take the time to review Local 8's LM2 Reports to get a first hand account of just how Local 8's staff is rewarded $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!! Quote: Last edited by John Briley on Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:05 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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| SharynS |
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter |
UFCW local leadership could empower the membership with the truth and set this never ending undispute on fire but I suppose that would be risking their own security and they aren't about to go there. As of now their security hinges on keeping the employers content. After decades of concessions and leverage dealing, kissing employer ass, bullshitting and keeping members in the dark is the only avenue left to ufcw pigs to stay in the game.
I had really thought (hoped) ufcw had reached bottom a few years back, seriously thought there wasn't much left to bargain away, and as low as it had sunk it's members that the only way left would be up. How wrong was I. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| Inside Lurker |
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Quote: The gathering was "charged with the energy of Solidarity," President Loveall said.
"We stand shoulder to shoulder and have each other's back," he continued. "Nothing will divide us." Brother Briley is it possible that President Loveall's quote about solidarity and "nothing will divide us" refers to his relationship with the corporate management rather than the members of the UFCW? |
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| John Briley |
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Quote: Brother Briley is it possible that President Loveall's quote about solidarity and "nothing will divide us" refers to his relationship with the corporate management rather than the members of the UFCW?
The answer is very simple Il...... Just follow the money....... The "Loveall Regime" is and has always been about Greed and not what is in the best interest of Local 8 Members / Retirees including the rest of the UFCW Members / Retirees here in Northern California!!! |
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| unionnow |
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Quote: The "Loveall Regime" is and has always been about Greed and not what is in the best interest of Local 8 Members / Retirees including the rest of the UFCW Members / Retirees here in Northern California!!! Try telling clerks that in the workplace and see what happens. They love them, they believe them, they follow them, and their futures are tied to them. Old and new young and old; they worship that group of people. Imagine resting your future on that lot of people. Thank the gods, I went to school and started a new life away from retail. They can have it, its theirs, they guard it with great jealousy because they reap a great reward. All the evils of their brand of unionism make the right wing nut-bars look very sane and reliable. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2) |
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Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Posts: 198 |
I hear ya UN and totally agree. We have fought some fights in the past. I to am moving on. I took the hard way to get there, but I did it and it will all work out in the end. I still shop from time to time in the store I used to work at and it amazes me that even the old timers that know better, still see the rainbow with a pot of gold in there future retirement. I guess, good for them for still being able to think about the positive. Or is it? Best of luck UN!
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Quote: Raley's-Nob Hill Members to Receive Special Update
This week a special communication was mailed to UFCW Local 5 members employed by Raley's and Nob Hill. In the letter Local 5 President Ron Lind outlines the specific difficulties standing in the way of a contract settlement at those companies. First among the road blocks to progress is Raley's intransigent demand that health benefit costs be slashed for existing and retired members immediately, without justifying why they should be. The company has not shown adequate proof as to why any wages or benefits should be reduced much less shredded. As a follow up, here is the special communication that Local 5's Raley / Nob Hill members recently received from President Ron Lind. http://www.uncharted.ca/images/users/ssigurdur/20120224nob_hill_letter.pdf Additionally, here is Local 5's most recent Negotiations Update Bulletin #16, dated February 25, 2012. http://ufcw5.org/PDF%20Files/ENegotiationsUpdate16.pdf Quote: Contracts Extended While Resolution Sought
Safeway & SaveMart are on a day to day extension with a 72 hour cancellation. Raley's is extended through midnight March 16. Since Raley's has agreed to meet past that date that agreement will likely be extended. |
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