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doug slaydon	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:46 pm
Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 192	This is is somewhat bitter tale involving California State Government. A few of you out there may remember when we organized the "Workers Rights Project" as a California "nonprofit" organization. Which was immediately abandoned after "unionow" suggested we might solicit funds from "right to work" nonprofits to finance a decertification campaign against UFCW Local 8. Well I have been stuck holding the bag ever since as the "Executor/Director" and the State of California Franchise Tax Board will not let it die. Since we never raised funds to prove our nonprofit status we have accrued $800 per year tax fees plus penalties and interest totaling $3425.62 for 2007-2010. I filed an "offer and compromise" to pay $50 out of pocket to wind this up, but have just talked to the Tax Board today and have been refused. Their minimum is $800 to wind up our business. I had filed all necessary paperwork to dissolve the corporation including approval by the Secretary of State and then Attorney General Jerry Brown. The Tax Board is willing to let the clock continue to run, even though we all agree I am not personally responsible and am only "trying to do the right thing" to wind up this organization. I will continue to get annoying notices about back taxes due. I had the gentleman at the Tax Board note that I was abandoned by the other Directors and Founding Executors and that we conducted no business. After all when you sign corporate documents you cannot just say "I'm out". That's the moral of this story. I believed in those who didn't reciprocate the belief. A couple of you will protest that I'm being too harsh, but don't we hurt the ones we love? _________________ Doug Slaydon has been active campaigning to reform UFCW Local 8.
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SharynS	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:10 pm
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter	Quote: I will continue to get annoying notices about back taxes due. How long have you known about it Doug, who else knew? _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie
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unionnow	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:46 pm
Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail	Doug, you shouldnt be stuck with that. PM me your address and the amount and I will send you a check _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2)
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unionnow	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:56 pm
Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail	One other thing, California is desperate for money. A non profit corp with no assets owes no taxes. I could (or could have hired) hire a tax attorney pretty cheap to wind this thing up. I will pay the 800 to end it, thats only the fair thing to do. There were other ways to handle this but it is what it is. You should not be stuck with the bill. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2)
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SharynS	Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:17 am
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter	Hero works UN but since it appears that Doug kept everyone involved in the dark all these years and no-one I know seems to be aware of any "annoying tax bills" up until this point that people be given a fair opportunity before summarily yanking the hanging platform from under them? It's always been my experience that communication is key for good results, imperative in fact. No-one I know reads minds, especially long distance. People might think I too am being too harsh but echoing Doug's sentiment, we also don't keep information from the ones we love unless of course we think we have it under control and can handle it all by ourselves. Because when you do and if you can't then that's ultimately what happens. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie
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Laboryes	Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:06 am
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1967	Let’s not piss back and fourth let’s just get this thing resolved! Doug privately tell us what you need from us to make this go away. Doug may have made a mistake by not informing of us of previous letters but that’s water under the bridge now. Doug’s already beared plenty of burden on his shoulders by himself over the past years, now’s the time we all collectively come together and help out IMO. Tell me what you need Doug! You know how to get a hold of me. _________________ "When people refuse to obey, then democracy comes alive." Howard Zinn
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unionnow	Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:41 am
Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail	Dont make an enemy of the franchise tax board. They will get their money one way or another. Better to get an offer and compromise letter for the 800. If they want way more then send me the docs and I will turn it over to a tax attorney and 500 will make it go away. Either way lets get it done and ASAP. My offer stands. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2)
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unionnow	Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:13 am
Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail	http://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/misc/927.pdf Quote: For detailed instruction about dissolving your exempt organization, get FTB Pub. 1038, Guide to Dissolve, Surrender, or Cancel a California Business Entity. http://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/misc/1038.pdf Quote: Suspended or Forfeited Corporations SOS cannot accept termination documents if FTB suspended or forfeited the corporation. You must complete all of the following requirements before you submit your termination documents to SOS: • Pay all outstanding balances due. • File any delinquent tax returns. It looks like thats where you are at in the process. Let us know where you are and we can figure out how to close this thing up. I can meet up with the examiner in Sacramento if I have to. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2)
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unionnow	Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:55 pm
Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail	Hmmmmmmm. Interesting, I think I made a similar offer once before. I dont want to plow through a bunch of threads in the past but no response? Oh well, standing by. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2)
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doug slaydon	Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:59 pm
Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 192	Sorry I just worked Four days in a row and didn't check the 'puter. Everyone I've talked to at the State Franchise Tax Board says I'm not personally responsible. I have filed all the necessary paperwork to wind up the business of "Workers Rights". I was pissed that the "Offer and Compromise" I filed was rejected even though I told the agent I just wanted to close this out. Sharyn I was holding no secrets, I simply figured I could do the work. The fact that I didn't handle this in a timely basis has to do with me leaving and moving until I got a wake up letter forwarded from the State of California in 2009 wanting a tax filing for the previous year, so I checked the box that it was the last year of business, but the subsequent 18 months have been sending letters back and forth to the Secretary of State and the California Attorney General, and the clock was still running according to them even though I told them we never conducted any business! Thanks Laboryes for the offer, but I think unionnow has the right idea and I'm not opposed to chipping in for a tax attorney. Corporations pay attorneys, not taxes. By the way the $800 is the minimum charge to be a "for profit" corporation in California, if we had raised money and proven our "nonprofit" status there would be no fee. Unionnow, my email is dougslaydon@aol.com, send me your contact info and I'll fax or mail you the copies. Thanks everybody, maybe I needed some help getting out of this mess! _________________ Doug Slaydon has been active campaigning to reform UFCW Local 8. Last edited by doug slaydon on Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:46 am; edited 1 time in total
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doug slaydon	Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:44 am
Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 192	unionnow the turd is back in your pocket, no email yet! I guess I'm not the only one who doesn't turn on the computer every day. _________________ Doug Slaydon has been active campaigning to reform UFCW Local 8.
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Laboryes	Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:26 pm
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1967	doug slaydon wrote: unionnow the turd is back in your pocket, no email yet! I guess I'm not the only one who doesn't turn on the computer every day. Unionnow...... Your turn! _________________ "When people refuse to obey, then democracy comes alive." Howard Zinn
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Bill Sable	Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:27 pm
Joined: 14 Feb 2009 Posts: 272	Hey, Doug Count me in, likewise, to help with the $. Still, it was a damn fine idea Shoot me a mail on my s-hot repaired PC.
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unionnow	Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:58 am
Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail	Got it Doug, I will email you tonite. We need clean this thing up completely. After an offer and compromise is accepted and paid we need to take a few more steps to clean this thing up (I think). I take a look at the attorney angle and get back. the best non profit attorneys are in oakland and San Fran. Bill, can you get a recomendation on a few non profit attorneys that can help? It might be cheaper do that If we can get it for a fee of something like 500 or a 1000 bucks to clean this whole thing up. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2)
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doug slaydon	Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:24 pm
Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 192	Here's where the State of California is playing the game, if the attorney fees are over $800 it isn't worth it because that is the amount the state is asking to settle the matter. _________________ Doug Slaydon has been active campaigning to reform UFCW Local 8.
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