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Laboryes	Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:47 am
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1967	Quote: The shooting of the congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords from Arizona here in the US is causing a stir. It will be used in some circles to further discredit the far right. Sarah Palin’s web site, for instance, had a rifle cross hair over several congressional districts, including that of Congresswoman Giffords. It is correctly pointed out that this sort of thing helps establish the atmosphere for such murders. The talk about murdering Julian Assange should also be thrown into the mix. However, the liberals have ignored this, since they have added to that particular dialog by their talk about him being guilty of “treason”. (Although how a non-citizen of the US could be guilty of treason is beyond me.) Read more _________________ "When people refuse to obey, then democracy comes alive." Howard Zinn
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Bill Sable	Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:33 am
Joined: 14 Feb 2009 Posts: 272	Let me be fairly precise about this: Individuals such as Half-term Sarah and Sharon ("2nd Amendment Remedies") Angle (the former/losing Republican candidate for the Senate/Nevada), not to mention Az. Governor Jan Brewer,Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, and their ilk bear no legal responsibility for the murders/attempted assassination in Arizona. They do, in my opinion, bear serious moral and ethical responsibility for their role in creating a climate of violence, a climate in which violent action is perceived as an acceptable substitute for political action. Perhaps each of them should proceed directly to their born-again/WWJD churches and receive forgiveness from God. They should not receive forgiveness nor any consideration as serious figures from the American people. Back in the day, so to speak, during the religious wars in Europe, there was a "Christian" leader who stated prior to a massacre (and I paraphrase): "Kill them all and let God sort out the innocent from the guilty". There are parallels between this command and the attitudes of Mrs. Half-Term and the others. Politics in a great invention. It's specific purpose is as a substitute for violence, vendetta, war. Anyone, as I've stated before, who has even a vestigial knowledge of, for example, Greek history could conclude nothing else. Encouraging the Yahoo/Copper-head/Know-Nothing strain inherent in American politics is, simply, a denial of democratic opinion and action.
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Laboryes	Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:33 pm
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1967	Bill Sable wrote: Let me be fairly precise about this: Individuals such as Half-term Sarah and Sharon ("2nd Amendment Remedies") Angle (the former/losing Republican candidate for the Senate/Nevada), not to mention Az. Governor Jan Brewer,Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, and their ilk bear no legal responsibility for the murders/attempted assassination in Arizona. You forgot one Bill! Must not forget this Tea Party loon... Joyce If ballots don't work bullets will Kaufman. Joyce Kaufman speaking at Tea Party rally _________________ "When people refuse to obey, then democracy comes alive." Howard Zinn
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SharynS	Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:47 pm
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter	Quote: "Kill them all and let God sort out the innocent from the guilty". There are parallels between this command and the attitudes of Mrs. Half-Term and the others. Yes and those sorts of "parallels" are well documented. Had an ordinary citizen posted gun sites on their web page and one of those targets met their demise, that citizen would be behind bars awaiting trial without much ado. As a matter of fact, aren't Jared Laughner's postings what the authorities are scouring to help build the case? _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie
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CUPE_Reformer	Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:01 am
Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 241 Location: Real Solidarity	Bill Sable wrote: They do, in my opinion, bear serious moral and ethical responsibility for their role in creating a climate of violence, a climate in which violent action is perceived as an acceptable substitute for political action. Jared Lee Loughner was a leftist pothead. Leftist leaders are never expected to take responsibility for creating a climate of violence. Exclusive: Loughner Friend Explains Alleged Gunman's Grudge Against Giffords Jared Lee Loughner: Meet Rep. Giffords' Alleged Shooter _________________ Real Solidarity
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SharynS	Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:26 am
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter	Was Jared Loughner affiliated with any right-wing/white supremacist group? DHS probing shooter's ties to hate group A "leftist" CR, how so? As far as being a "pothead", I'm thinking a joint or two that fateful day would have calmed Loughner's frayed psycho and possibly averted the tragedy. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie
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CUPE_Reformer	Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:22 am
Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 241 Location: Real Solidarity	SharynS wrote: Was Jared Loughner affiliated with any right-wing/white supremacist group? DHS probing shooter's ties to hate group Don't Jump To Conclusions _________________ Real Solidarity Last edited by CUPE_Reformer on Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:36 am; edited 2 times in total
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SharynS	Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:34 am
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter	CUPE_Reformer wrote: Jared Lee Loughner was a leftist pothead. CUPE_Reformer wrote: Don't Jump To Conclusions I won't if you won't. How is Loughner a "leftist" CR? _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie
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CUPE_Reformer	Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:37 am
Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 241 Location: Real Solidarity	SharynS wrote: How is Loughner a "leftist" CR? He referred to police officers as pigs. He was ready to kill a police officer. _________________ Real Solidarity
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Laboryes	Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:48 am
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1967	CUPE_Reformer wrote: He referred to police officers as pigs. He was ready to kill a police officer. Hmmm? So Cupe... I take it your not a fan of the "leftist" ? _________________ "When people refuse to obey, then democracy comes alive." Howard Zinn
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CUPE_Reformer	Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:54 am
Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 241 Location: Real Solidarity	Laboryes wrote: Hmmm? So Cupe... I take it your not a fan of the "leftist" ? I want to know what is the truth. _________________ Real Solidarity
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SharynS	Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:09 am
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter	Quote: He referred to police officers as pigs. He was ready to kill a police officer. So did the perpetrator of this crime, who is believed to be a neo-nazi. Calling a police officer a "pig" or wanting to kill one is not really definitive of much at this point. In fact if we take what is known about Loughner already and factor in the guy in the link I provided, then one could easily attribute the term "pig" to neo-nazis. ed- after thought. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie
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CUPE_Reformer	Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:47 am
Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 241 Location: Real Solidarity	SharynS wrote: How is Loughner a "leftist" CR? Quote: “As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy,” the former classmate, Caitie Parker, wrote in a series of Twitter feeds Saturday. “I haven’t seen him since ’07 though. He became very reclusive.” “He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in ’07, asked her a question & he told me she was ‘stupid & unintelligent,’ ” she wrote. Arizona Suspect’s Recent Acts Offer Hints of Alienation _________________ Real Solidarity
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SharynS	Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:29 am
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter	Sorry CR but one classmate's perception as quoted (or possibly misquoted) in the nyt and for whom no background was provided doesn't cut it. If you think it does then perhaps you can also explain why a crazed "leftist" would target Democrats? _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie
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Rose Knows	Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:33 pm
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 310	It seems Laughner had some concerns about the currency. He says on his you tube video Dec.15, debts should only be paid in currency that is backed by gold or silver. I wonder if he was concerned about his possible future pension payments? Rose Knows UFCW Local 175/633
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