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| rogead |
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Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Posts: 412 |
For those in Vancouver, congratulations on hosting the 2010 Winter Olympics. I'm hoping to make it there for a few days.
But, I also have some concerns about the effects the Olympic preparations are having on the homeless and the working poor of the city. Over the last few decades, the Olympics, as well as other large-scale international events; have tended to result in the poor being dumped-on and forgotten. Affordable housing is often turned into high-priced condos, cities strengthen laws relating to panhandling and loitering, and civic funds are diverted from social needs to Olympic hype. This story: http://xrl.us/be7rau leads me to ask how Vancouver is dealing with balancing the pride of hosting the games, with the need to take care of the city's most vulnerable citizens. |
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| SharynS |
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2883 Location: the 'puter |
It's not. Scrape away the hype and the last ten yrs leading up to these games has been and should go down as the most brazen daylight robbery in B.C's history. Quote: Vancouver police will also monitor the movements of the city's homeless, some of whom will have to be moved in the interest of safety, said deputy chief Steve Sweeney.
"We currently have a few homeless that are residing within very close proximity to some of the venues. And those people, we will assist them in relocating elsewhere," said Sweeney. J.P. Allaird, who currently stays in a hostel but is worried he could be on the street during the Olympics, is also concerned about plans to relocate homeless people. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| SharynS |
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2883 Location: the 'puter |
Rights go out the window to create a seamless 2010 circus Quote: In the flush of bidding for and winning the right to host the Olympics, nobody talked about how staging them might mean limiting civil liberties. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| The Third Element |
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Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 363 |
Sadly I think Sharyn is right (I am a a Vancouverite). I too had heard that the homeless will be interned in camps or relocated to other communities. (Editor read: far away places)
Similarly, this is just rumour but I suspect that if the government had some responsible plan for the homeless they would have been waving that flag right now. Vancouver closed one of it's largest psychiatric hospitals some years ago and this, over the long run, drove patients into the streets. The fight now is to get many of these people homes that suits them. I don't know very much about this but I do know one case pretty well because he was a friend of mine. I have not seen him in years, and in the last recent years only from a passing car. He cannot live inside, it stems from spending many weeks in a Thai jail when he was in his 20's, he can't stand being indoors. When we still kept in touch he told me there were a lot of people like him who, for different reasons could not manage something a simple roofs and doors, much less as complex as keeping an apartment. I think it is a city's responsibility to create a place where these people can safely go, for sleep or just to get dry and calm down. I don't think Vancouver is going to be that city, at least not by 2010 - we would have heard by now. _________________ No Beast so fierce knows but some small amount of pity, but I know none and so I am no beast. ~ Richard III |
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| the doc |
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Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Posts: 121 |
Ontario did the same thing, closed all the physc. hospitals. This was a crime against the people, but not all needed those places with the better drugs we have today. The problem is that most will not take the drugs that can help them. Does this mean that the city is now responsible for them, no. The city didnot close the hospitals the province did. We could split hairs but, there is a large number of people on the streets that just want to be there. Now the question is do we have to put up with people lying all over the streets doing there business etc., no we don't. I am a very caring person, but if a person can't function in the world then just maybe they should be in a institution. They would then get the care they need. But what of the people that don't want to go into a place to be cared for. The rest of society should not have to be triping over them on the streets,or having them live on park benches. I am sorry but I really think that the majority of the people on the streets are there because they want to be and not because of a mental problem. I go into Toronto sometimes and walk the streets and it is a disgrace to be hounded by panhandlers and people sleeping on the streets. We in Canada have a safety net that covers just about all and all they have to do is access it. What if the people that would not go inside were rounded up and taken outside of town and told this is where you will be living from now on, is this wrong? They should be able to make their own way in this life and if they can't and don't want help then just maybe they should be dumped outside of town and told do not come back to just sleep on our streets, and bother the other people. |
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| The Third Element |
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Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 363 |
Doc, before you get your throat ripped out by rampant socialists _________________ No Beast so fierce knows but some small amount of pity, but I know none and so I am no beast. ~ Richard III |
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Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Posts: 121 |
I am sorry The Third Element for your friend. There are a lot of people like that. One question, how did he get that way,like what caused him to be in a Thia jail? I am not trying to be anti-homeless here, but there is a point where we have to say enough. There are kids that don't like to be home on the streets, and they get taken advantage of. Do we let them just roam at will or do we as society say this is not right. I see it in the schools and a lot of the kids coming out of schools, that they now do not wish to take direction. They say "you can't tell me what to do", well I am sorry but we can. We are a society of laws (not all are that great) and the vast majority of us live within those laws so we have a social structure. I really think that without that structure we would crumble and in the end we all would be on the streets, or floating aimlessly with no goals in life. Now there are a lot of people that would argue that the law only works for the rich, and sometimes that seems the way it is. We just have to rise above that crap and look at our families and friends and keep on plugging along in hopes of a better future. Without that thought for ourselves and our kids, then we all just might as well be on the streets. |
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| SharynS |
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2883 Location: the 'puter |
By socialist 3E you obviously mean a person who understands the difference between real solutions and creating different sets of problems right. Quote: What if the people that would not go inside were rounded up and taken outside of town and told this is where you will be living from now on, is this wrong No matter how far out of town you dump people, the dilemma still exists. It simply belongs to someone else. Beware and be afraid - it's more oft than not a temp fix because people looking to survive in a system that literally squeezed them out and which allows for them no space or grace can migrate, often in large herds. I'm disappointed doc. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| The Third Element |
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Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 363 |
No, I have to agree with you Sharyn, on *all* points you state above.
_________________ No Beast so fierce knows but some small amount of pity, but I know none and so I am no beast. ~ Richard III |
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2883 Location: the 'puter |
Quote: For background on our resistance to the 2010 Olympics please visit our websites no2010.com _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2883 Location: the 'puter |
Homelessness Strike relay.
And from behind the msm scene Quote: Olympics Resistance Victoria
Press Release - For Immediate Release - No 2010 Victoria: Olympic Police Harass More Victoria Activists RCMP try to question local residents, get a lecture on rights instead August 24, 2009, Victoria, Coast Salish Territories - On Thursday, August 20, Vancouver 2010 Integrated Security Unit (VISU) officers knocked on the doors of at least three Victoria homes and tried to question social justice advocates about their plans for the Olympics. Instead, they got politely schooled in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Comrade Black is a volunteer organizer for the Victoria Anarchist Bookfair. The VISU officers came to the 29-year-old's home in Fairfield on Thursday, but no one would talk to them. Since the officers had no warrant, no due process, no probable cause, and nothing to investigate, they got no information from Black or his housemates. "When they came to my door, one of my roommates answered and gave them no information, he would not even tell them if I was home Even though they asked for me by name, they didn't know who they were looking for, and at one point seemed to possibly wonder if he was me. I never ended up talking with them, myself. They gave him a card asking me to call them," Black said. "What's funny is I personally have had little to do with the local organizing against the Olympics," Black went on. "They must have either picked people out of a hat, not caring who they got as the effect would be the same, or they chose the most visible anarchists in town to target for harassment." Melanie Sylvestre, a 30-year-old organic farm worker, said: 'I was on my way to work at 8:30 in the morning, and they came over to me as I was getting in my truck. They were trying to be friendly, they called me by name and introduced themselves and said they wanted to talk. I said, 'No thanks, I'm leaving for work right now.' But they wouldn't back off. I had to say 'no' several times. They tried to flatter me, they said that they know I am a strong voice in the movement against the Olympics. That's not even true. I guess they were frustrated, and out of the blue the woman officer said, 'We believe in free speech, too!' I had to laugh." "But I'm really offended by them spending so much money trying to intimidate people like me who are trying to make a living, working on a farm everyday," Sylvestre said. This is the second time the VISU has attempted to obtain Olympic "intelligence" from Victoria residents through ambush-style interviews. Earlier this year, an officer tried to convince several local community members to inform on groups that might organize protests at the Torch Relay and the Olympic Games. That effort failed as well. One officer in Vancouver defended the tactic of accosting activists at home and at work as an attempt to start a community dialogue about the Olympics.This week, Tamara Herman of No 2010 Victoria dismissed the claim. "The police are not in a position to start a dialogue about free speech and the Olympics. They've already proven that their job is to restrict free speech. The place to start is by holding public meetings about Olympic security instead of visiting organizers' houses. We doubt that they will -- talking to the VISU about Charter rights is like talking to a brick wall." Herman reminded community members that there is no need to let an officer into the home without a warrant in hand. Police may try to use flattery or coercion to pressure people into cooperating, but they do not have the power to detain anyone without probable cause or due process, she said. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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| atuuschaaw |
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 780 Location: an ahwangan |
Quote: I am a very caring person, but if a person can't function in the world then just maybe they should be in a institution. Oh, we have those institutions down here already. In the deep south, we call them prisons. Institutions within institutions within institutions...they just do not work for the large majority of the people who increasingly find themselves at the mercy of a failed social structure. Quote: I am sorry but I really think that the majority of the people on the streets are there because they want to be and not because of a mental problem. Really? Do you also think the people displaced by the depression, dustbowl, and the rural shift into agribusiness wanted to be where they found themselves? _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Posts: 121 |
Atuuschaaw, the post was about the Vancouver Olympics, and moving people out. I just stated my opinion on the subject. We were not discussing the great depression that happened 80 years ago. Hopefully we have come a long way since then(although sometimes I doubt it). You talk about jails and yes it happens all to frequently, but you have the ability to change that through your vote, if you vote. The mental health issue has been on the burner for a long time and it is still not solved. Why, because not enough people care, until it strikes close to home. As for the homeless, a lot of them do have mental problems, so why not get them help instead of giving them sleeping bags and making them comfortable on the streets. They should be forced to move indoors for their own good, and get the help needed. The rest are there of their own choosing but that does not mean we as society have to condone it. We have the right to a clean city, free of bums sleeping on the street and panhandlers. A case in point, a woman was panhandling in Toronto, and a reporter decided to follow her home. Well she was picked up around the corner from where she was begging and driven to an apartment complex. The reporter was able to find out which one it was and went up to the apartment, well they lived a very good life. The had large screen tv leather furniture and all the trappings of the good life. This was all paid for by panhandling ( tax free) and living off the public. If we stopped tossing money out they would get a job, but we keep on doing it. To the best of my knowledge, even after the article appeared in the newspaper she was still panhandling. Now I am totally not saying this applies to all, but it is how we are in a way being victimized. I stand by my statements and still think that if people need help they should be given that help, and if that means putting them in a hospital and getting help so be it. NOW if they refuse then we have little recourse but to put them in jail if they break our laws. That is not my problem but theirs, I have to follow the laws and just because someone is homeless doesn't mean they don't have to follow the same laws.
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 780 Location: an ahwangan |
Quote: Atuuschaaw, the post was about the Vancouver Olympics, and moving people out. I just stated my opinion on the subject. We were not discussing the great depression that happened 80 years ago. Oh sorry...my bad...I thought we were talking about displaced people having to live on the streets just so more fortunate people can maintain their right to a clean city, free of bums sleeping on the street and panhandlers. Quote: You talk about jails and yes it happens all to frequently, but you have the ability to change that through your vote, if you vote. I will go out on that limb and assume you are not very familiar with southern democratic practice. Yes, we actually do vote down this way...those of us who haven't been displaced and/or jailed at least. Quote: The idea that the poorest, most elderly and most vulnerable people are being thrown out into the street as a result of property speculation, aided by the hype of the pre-Olympic environment, is an embarrassing footnote to the first "socially sustainable Olympic Games".
The Toronto-based Wellesley Institute released a report card in early February which raised the issue of growing housing inaffordability - a leading cause of evictions and homelessness. Renting costs outpaced renter incomes in six of the 10 provinces. There are estimated to be between 200,000 to 300,000 homeless people in Canada. As Sharyn mentioned...talking temporary fixes just is not going to cut it! The discussion has to be about the causes, why are there so many displaced people in the first place? We as human beings must learn how to ask the right questions and stop offering pseudo solutions to the wrong questions! _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2883 Location: the 'puter |
Quote: ...and it is still not solved. Why, because not enough people care, Quote: ... why not get them help instead of giving them sleeping bags and making them comfortable on the streets Quote: well they lived a very good life. The had large screen tv leather furniture and all the trappings of the good life. This was all paid for by panhandling Seriously, first I wouldn't believe everything I read in a local rag. main stream reporters have been known to exaggerate, stretch, twist and outright skew the facts. They have one of those agenda things. Just the right edge on a story is another word for job security in the reporting circle. Even if the story is entirely factual, statistics show the case you cited is not representative of the majority of homeless. Just as Conrad Black is not representative of the well suited crowd, Okay perhaps bad example, statistics on the suited crowd could weight your theory. The truth be known is there are crooks in every walk of life - you can't judge a book by it's cover. Me myself, I worry less about the odd artful crook manipulating people into handing over pocket change than I do about the professional crooks ripping millions out of the public purse with a slight of law they draft themselves. Big fish little fish? _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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