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| atuuschaaw |
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 781 Location: an ahwangan |
Well Mull, thank GAWD we still have strong individualists such as yourself and Yon Goicoechea who continue to sing the song of individual liberty, free markets, and peace! We're bound to wake up and see the light at some point I guess.
_________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 358 Location: Ground Zero |
Thank Gawd the flame still burns!
Wm Pasz wrote: Quote: North Americans have a really hard time accepting this because we have a particular picture in our minds of what fascists are and what they do. But the brand of fascism that took root in early 20th century Europe is only another variety - a more overtly brutal one - than the kind that exists in North American and, through its many tentacles, the much of the rest of the world. To take a slightly different tack on the subject at hand (speaking of Cap’n Ahab and his sail boat), I’ve just started reading a book by Jonah Goldberg that tackles the very subject of modern fascism and its origins. Goldberg defines fascism like this: Quote: Fascism is a religion of the state. It assumes the organic unity of the body politic and longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people. It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good. It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through regulation and social pressure. Everything, including the economy and religion, must be aligned with its objectives. Any rival identity is part of the “problem” and therefore defined as the enemy. (Goldberg; pg. 23) Does that sound like capitalism? Does it sound like a definition of fascism? Last edited by Mulligan on Sat May 24, 2008 8:49 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 358 Location: Ground Zero |
Quote: [Goicoechea has] been active since student and other opposition emerged against the Chavez government’s refusal (with ample justification) to renew RCTV’s VHF operating license last May. See? I told ya! Mess with my soap opera and you bring hellfire and brimstone on yourself! |
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Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 51 Location: Canada |
There's an article in today's Vancouver Sun, entitled 'The Seed Struggle - Small farmers fight multinational business for control of the planet's food supply".
Part of what it says - Quote: At stake, they believe, is no less than control of the world's food supply.
Since the dawn of civilization, farmers have saved seeds from the harvest and replanted them the following year. But makers of genetically modified (GM) seeds -- introduced in 1996 and now grown by some 70,000 Canadian farmers, according to Monsanto -- have been putting a stop to that practice. The 12 million farmers worldwide who will plant GM seeds this year sign contracts agreeing not to save or replant seeds. That means they must buy new seeds every year. Critics charge such contracts confer almost unlimited power over farmers' lives to multinational companies whose priority is profit. Here's the link - http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=a9c45a8b-59a4-41e1-a055-a70036cc36af |
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Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1417 Location: Sun City AZ |
Hey m-man, this cut from the headlines of the Arizona Republic kinda says it all doesn't it...
Firms stumble, but CEOs cash in. Twenty big financial firms that got caught on the wrong side of the credit crunch suffered nearly 500 billion in cumulative stock-market losses last year and have brought the economy on the brink of recession. Yet these firms still managed to shell out about $215 million collectively in compensation to their chief executives last year. _________________ If we don't do it, who will? |
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Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 358 Location: Ground Zero |
Phoenix Iratus:
Quote: The debate over GM seeds has come into sharp focus as the world faces a food-price crisis that threatens to push millions into starvation.
In recent months, riots have erupted from Haiti to Bangladesh in the wake of soaring costs for staples like bread, rice and corn. The crisis has prompted calls to step up investment in biotechnology to improve crop yields in developing countries. "At a global level, it's a problem that's not going to be solved by organics or focusing on local food," says Douglas Southgate, a professor of agricultural economics at Ohio State University. "Dealing with the problem on a global scale involves using biotechnology." But Ottawa author Brewster Kneen, a fierce opponent of GM seeds, counters that biotechnology, as practised by companies like Monsanto, is not the answer. "The point was never feeding the world or saving the environment," says Kneen, author of several books about agriculture and biotechnology, including Farmageddon: Food and the Future of Biotechnology (www.ramshorn.ca/Books.html). "It's about wealth, not about health." It’s not that I have to find a liberal cause or some environmental craziness behind every tree (even plastic palms), but I do look for ‘trip’ words and phrases in an article like this. In this instance it’s the word ‘struggle,’ and the phrases ‘…whose priority is profit,’ and “…about wealth, not about health.” You can get a pretty good idea where things are headed when the road signs point to: ‘corporate greed’ vs. ‘the little guy.’ But what’s not being discussed in the article is the fact that according to the eco-brainstorm Energy Policy Act of 2005, something like 4 billion gallons of ethanol was legally required to be mixed with gasoline for internal combustion engine use in 2006 in the US. By 2012 the figure is supposed to be graduated upward to 7.5 billion gallons. All of this ethanol production requires increased dependence on grain and corn. Do the math: more demand for ethanol = less available grain and corn supply = higher prices for food. Couple that with the fact that the Saudis won’t increase oil production, and we can’t drill for our own oil because of the environmentalists, but must import it from Canada, Venezuela, Mexico, etc - so we now have a train wreck coming down the track in our direction over high food and gas prices. So if “millions are pushed into starvation” as the article reads, perhaps the fault lies in multiple factors as well as perhaps ‘greedy capitalists.’ Don’t forget, the process of genetically modifying seeds was, not long ago, hailed as a great remedy for failed crops around the world. Much of that was made possible because of capitalism and economic competition. The gist of your article, Phoenix Iratus, makes me wonder whether the once welcomed process of genetically modifying crops is now being used to scapegoat misguided environmentalism -simply because major commercial industries are required to get the job done. Quote: …$215 million collectively in compensation to their chief executives last year. It’s called a golden parachute. Win ‘er lose, it was written into their contracts from the get-go. |
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Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1417 Location: Sun City AZ |
Quote: It’s called a golden parachute. Win ‘er lose, it was written into their contracts from the get-go. Hardly m-man; what it's called is obscene. _________________ If we don't do it, who will? |
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter |
Mull I know this is possibly out of your realm but I'm curious to know; all things aside and all things being equal - and if it were possible to start from scratch - would you prefer/choose to live in a world without human strife or are you hooked on the historical and still current food chain method of survival, where it's each for himself and only the fittest survive?
Do you or have you ever wondered what it would be like if life was a bowl of cherries for everyone. Do you think life should be? I'm not asking whether or not it's possible but rather whether or not you would choose a bowl of cherries over a bowl of pits. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 358 Location: Ground Zero |
Quote: …choose a bowl of cherries over a bowl of pits… Mmm. These deep philosophical concepts always trip me up. Depending on the circumstance, I’d be suspicious of the cherries but, on the other hand, I could probably just refuse either. Who or what would offer me the choice? Quote: Do you think life should be? No! Why should it be? Why would you want to live a life in which everything was just handed to you? |
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter |
I don't think I said anything about having "everything... just handed..." to anyone. Ummmm... that would be your "bowl of cherries" concept? Ever wonder why you would automatically equate a "bowl of cherries" existence with social irresponsibility?
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Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 358 Location: Ground Zero |
Quote: Ever wonder why…? Yes, I wonder. Tell me. You have the floor Sig. |
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter |
[look ] Thanks I don't need a whole floor Mull. You've, umm.. how shall I put this - you've been conditioned. [/no rolleyes].
I take it then that you ascribe to the notion that without rule the world would suddenly be in chaos. A free fall back to the dark ages, barbarism and senseless wars. Oh ^^look ^^ again - an irony. Here's the thing - and if anything I think it may well be where history c/w/should better come into play - if there's history to recite or consider as we try to grow forward and freer, then I think it would be civil progress, no? _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 781 Location: an ahwangan |
Mull, I must confess I continually wonder why you waste your precious time and efforts preaching individualism and free market corporatism to such a crowd of progressives as we have here at uncharted. Do you think you can persuade perhaps at least one non-believer over? Or is it because you merely love the interaction and argumentive process...a comradery built on differences in ideology within organized labor?
I can't help but feel I know you very well, or maybe you just trigger some memories of mine from the past. This feeling or memory is not from our involvement here, but from the real world of business unionism. I've watched as our organized labor organizations have bought into the corporate business model and adapted that same individualistic mindset in the international union offices in D.C. In turn, each local within the internationals have also become groups of individuals and no longer resemble a cooperative of any kind. Think tanks and labor scholars sit around and debate, argue, and theorize why organized labor continues to slide into oblivion. It's a no brainer in my mind...it's a simple business advertising ploy that clusters liberty, patriotism, unionism, and free markets into a PR plan designed to destroy any glimmer of solidarity that may exist. And it has worked well. Organized labor has bought into it so well, and the hook is so deep, there is no possible way to get the hook out without death. There are no unions anymore...they are already dead. There is no life in their eyes...their mouths move, but they say nothing...their vision has turned internal and they have the stench of corporate death. "Dead man walking...dead man walking here!" I've watched as these union individualists have marched over any and all who would question their intent or motives. There is no room for solidarity in an individual. I've watched as union members have overlooked injustices to their Brothers and Sisters as long as they continued to do well and their "bought into" consumerist world continued to supply them with their unsustainable lifestyles. Individualists find it way too easy to turn their head and not look upon the crime that is rampant within their organization...as long as they continue to benefit. So do I know you Mull...or are you merely a reflection of what I've seen and the promise of the union's future? I apologize if this seems uncivil and too much like a personal attack. It's not intended to be, but it's just that you seem to be the only one in this thread who is preaching the benefits of individualism. _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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