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Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 77 Location: Vancouver |
One piece of advice I can offer to anyone who is determined to keep pursuing a case through the legal maze is that your real purpose should not be to secure a just adjudicated outcome - because none of our tribunals or courts exist to serve justice.
I may be near the end of my own efforts at litigation with the application for leave to the Supreme Court of Canada that I must now file. If I am granted leave that in itself will be a miracle and should not be taken as a signal that the system has suddenly developed a conscience. The description of the scenario in the BCHRT hearing provides a good example of why and how these formal adversarial processes serve only the professionals who live by them. I have, by the way, met Mr. Quinn. As CUPE's counsel at one particular Supreme Court hearing in 2005 he was able to persuade a judge to grant CUPE a "costs security" order against me for $2000. That was his first time in a courtroom. The lawyers run everything. The judges are lawyers. The system is fixed. Most people cannot imagine just how fixed it is. What I hope to do now, whether the SCC agrees to hear my case or not, is contribute to the destabilization of the system. It is, in my view, on the path to self-destruction, and we can and should help it along. The Chief Justice of Canada, Beverley McLachlin, believes that self-represented citizens have no business appearing before her and her colleagues, whose salaries we pay. In contrast, theoretically the tribunals welcome self-represented litigants. In truth, the lawyers we face in those tribunals think we are fools for being there. The tribunal adjudicators, or quasi-judges, are the junior clones of McLachlin and her pals. The judges use judicial review to write the quasi-judges endless blank cheques. The adversarial system has been described as trial by combat. The lawyers are trained in combat, but unlike the gladiators of old they risk no harm to themselves. When we go into a courtroom or tribunal hearing we have each chosen to be a lone, unarmed Christian facing trained gladiators in the colosseum, where the outcome is determined by a senior member of the gladiator academy. What we need to do is shut down the colosseums. |
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1219 Location: Toronto |
Quote: In truth, the lawyers we face in those tribunals think we are fools for being there. The tribunal adjudicators, or quasi-judges, are the junior clones of McLachlin and her pals. The judges use judicial review to write the quasi-judges endless blank cheques. Agreed. In fact, the more familiar I've become with the JR process and the courts' handling of worker-related matters, the more horrified I've become at what really goes on there. People don't have a chance and everyone who goes there just ends up generating more of those blank cheques - more jurisprudence to strengthen and solidify the already mammoth pile of "case law" that enables the judges to toss just about anything that's brought to their doorsteps by the people. It's tempting to think that if one doesn't like the outcome at this stage, there's the appeal court and the supreme court but things tend to get worse not better the higher up the judicial mountain one climbs. A really big problem is that the courts - as with all the controlling institutions of our society - want nice quiet complacent workers who defer to authority and don't go getting all uppity about their rights. The HRC's and other tribunals exist to do some wrist-slapping in cases where over-the-top mistreatment takes place, but anyone who has the temerity to expect to be respected as a human being all the time, is dangerous subversive or freak from the fringe and is treated accordingly. While imprisoned in the Soviet gulag system, writer Alexander Solzhenitsyn found an affirmation about his oppressors that apparently helped him survive his ordeal: It may help you too. "Don't believe them, don't fear them, don't ask anything of them." We should think about applying the same thing in relation to the courts when it comes to workplace relations issues. This may achieve the solution that gbuddy advocates - shut 'em down. _________________ Time is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. Truth is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. You don't need anything else. - Malcolm X |
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Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 77 Location: Vancouver |
This may be a little off topic, but I'd like to suggest one way in which we can impact the system so that it hurts. I suspect this is just one of many ideas we could pursue if we put our minds to it.
It has to do with jury duty, an experience I had sometime around 1992 in a brief (two day) criminal trial. I am going to suggest that it is a civic function we could all choose to boycott and I'll explain how and why. I know very little about the topic of juries, but I think it is something we should explore. How often are juries used in criminal or civil trials? Politically correct thinking apparently approves of juries in significant criminal cases. From what I have read the legal establishment would like to virtually eliminate juries in civil trials. Why is that? Well, retired judge John Bouck has said it is not because of cost. Bear in mind that there are no juries at all in proceedings before tribunals. I think the truth is that the legal establishment wants no one involved in any capacity in legal proceedings except lawyers. Unless we are there as defendants in criminal cases. But they do want us to keep paying for the system. I was reminded of my one experience as a juror on September 8 at the courthouse because I ran into the largest group of jury duty candidates I had ever seen. I saw them several times throughout the day waiting, I presume, to be brought into a courtroom, where they would be called one-by-one to be assessed as jurors for a particular case. The routine I recall is that a court official (not sure if its actually a judge) speaks to each candidate and allows the lawyers to challenge their candidacy. Commonly, individuals offer a reason why they should not be chosen. I got out of a major murder trial because I had a workplace commitment to travel out of town. I have decided that if I am ever called again I will simply explain that I have learned from long and harsh experience that the system is entirely corrupt and that I would be happy to share my knowledge with my fellow jurors. That should ensure that I do not serve - ever again. |
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Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 128 Location: Canada |
I have the next 3 days off and I'll add a lot to the blog.
Most of the bizarre and contradictory (and just plain untruthful) testimony was never reported by the Tribunel Member in her decision of September 30, 2008. Here are a few examples of some of the strange testimony at the Tribunal hearings. I'll post a lot more this weekend. Testimony of A. H. (Painter Leadhand) - J. J. - How did we know D.Y. (our shop steward) was a supervisor? A. H. - You knew. It was a foregone conclusion. J. J. - He was just dropping paint off. A. H. - (D.Y.) would be coming around to see what your needs are. That's why he was looking after things. Whatever you need contact (D.Y.) That was just an understanding - (D.Y.) was supervisor. Testimony of D. Y. (Shop Steward) - J. J. - Why were you Painter Supervisor in 2002 when you didn't have the qualifications? D. Y. - When you're rated up in a temporary position you don't need qualifications & supervisor experience. You don't need the courses. Only if you're full-time. Later, I asked D. Y. this question - J. J. - Was I supposed to take direction from you? D. Y. - If I'm in charge, yes. I believe I was the acting Leadhand or supervisor. Later, I asked D. Y. this question - J. J. - Why didn't anyone ever tell me or the other casuals you were ever in a supervisory position? D. Y. - It was none of your business that I was a supervisor. That I was rated up. Another time I asked this question - J. J. - Does it say somewhere in the Collective Agreement that casuals can't be in a supervisory position? D. Y. - I wouldn't know A strange admission - J. J. - Have you ever read the Collective Agreement? D. Y. - No, I've never read the Collective Agreement. I've only read 2 books in my life. I was so stunned by what D. Y. had just said that I asked the Tribunal Member if I'd heard right. The Tribunal Member repeated what D. Y. had just said. Turning back to D. Y. I then asked - J. J. - Why are you shop steward? I didn't expect an answer to that, and I didn't get one. Positive testimony - Here's a little bit of the positive testimony about me that the Tribunal Member didn't report in her decision - A Casual Painter witness who worked at the school district in 2004. He worked mostly on my crew. J. J. - Did I treat you fairly Did I treat the others fairly P. P. - You were very fair. You had an even-handed approach to running the job. P. P. also said - We all got along on our crew. No problems. SD43 Lawyer - Did (A. H.) say if you had any questions to ask (J. J.)? P. P. - Yes. He said it was her job to run. If I had any questions ask her. Later - the Lawyer asked - SD43 Lawyer - if anyone would say anything negative about J. J. would it be because she would be more directive? P. P. - Don't remember that, no. Soon to post -
Documented proof, from the school district, of casuals in supervisory positions (that the Tribunal Member conveniently forgot to mention in her decision) Painter Leadhand v. Painter Supervisor. Documented proof that these are two different positions, and that A. H. and D. Y. had the first position. The Position Database Report, a document that the school district doesn't show employees, showing all the CUPE bargaining-unit positions at the school district. Some of these positions aren't on the CUPE Class Specifications list that bargaining-unit employees have access to. Letters. The Union - Since I'm going to try to drag the union back into the case (despite the fact that the Tribunal dismissed my case against them in late 2007) I'll also be writing about that as well. Here's a taste (I changed some names to initials in brackets for this posting) - On April 10, 2008 I wrote a response to the union, when they protested my request to the Tribunal to re-open the case against the union. part of my response was as follows - Quote: I believe that a lot of my evidence was overlooked in the Tribunal's decision to dismiss.
A couple of examples follow - ............... Some examples of conflicting testimony - Mr. Ginter has never given me a legitimate reason, at any time before the hearings, why I wasn't one of the painters put on the rotation list. During the union's opening statement at the hearings they claim that (Z. F.) was recalled over me in Nov./05 because I had less hours. (G. T.) was also put on the recall list in Nov. 2005. But the evidence at the hearings was that (D. K.) had more hours in 2005 than (G. T.) did. Mr. Ginter probably already knew that as he got bi-weekly seniority lists, as was the testimony at the hearings. Also, during the union's opening statement, the union claimed that '(D. Y.) was instructed by Mr. Ginter to go to a meeting to try to get the complainant's job back.' That was the first time I heard that one. That was regarding the meeting (A. H.) had with (D. K.) in August 2005. The union also said 'Mr. Ginter was pleased there was no discipline letter.' Yet, at the hearings (D. Y.) testified that he was not asked to represent me regarding that letter. And (D. Y.) did not represent me regarding that letter. Dave Ginter is very specific about who he interprets as a supervisor. EXHIBIT 4 - TAB 11 - November 28, 2005 email from Dave Ginter to J. J. entitled 'Regarding clarification of casual painters' Quote: "The definition of supervisor who assigns is the excluded supervisor [(K.) Horne)]. Supervisor includes assigning work, input into probation reports, assigning the hours of work, dealing with work performance problems."
As you can see you did not perform any of those duties that an actual supervisor does. Certain Employees of Cardinal Transportation B. C. v. CUPE Local 561 (BCLRB No. B28/2008) - Feb. 29, 2008 In this case CUPE 561 stated that 'Trainers have been viewed as representatives of the employer which recommend discipline over driving infractions and the elimination of the driver's safety bonus' The Vice-Chair also stated that 'Both Employer and Union witnesses agreed that the duties of a Driver Trainer - monitoring, evaluating, and investigating drivers - are such that would cause Driver Trainers to be in conflict with the bargaining unit.' And this - 'Though not necessarily management, Driver Trainers are not part of the bargaining unit because they investigate, evaluate and monitor bargaining unit members. If one were to draw an organization chart for the Employer, Driver Trainers would be placed above school bus drivers and aides given that they have a certain amount of power over them as their monitoring and reports can lead to discipline. The Driver Trainer position is one that is more closely aligned with management than the bargaining unit. Accordingly, Murphy would reasonably have been perceived by the bargaining unit members as someone more closely aligned with management.' If Dave Ginter's interpretation of supervisor is true, then Dave Ginter must also believe that (A. H.'s) actions towards me were incorrect and against the Collective Agreement. Actions such as reporting to (D. K.), which lead to a letter of expectation (written by a bargaining unit supervisor), which can be a part of progressive discipline. Mr. Ginter can't make exceptions to his usual 'interpretations' just for the lone woman in a male-dominated workplace. During testimony (D. K.) said this - Quote: Lead hand/Supervisor can do letter of expectations and reprimand letter.
Supervisors in bargaining unit can actually discipline and reprimand Does the union believe a bargaining unit supervisor can discipline, reprimand, and write a letter of expectation to another bargaining unit member? If not, why didn't Dave Ginter grieve for me? Regarding the harassment investigation - In Dave Ginter's letter of Dec. 2/05 - he said this - Quote: "Regarding your private and confidential letters that made serious allegations about several of our members, I investigated those allegations and found no merit to any of the allegations." Quote: these procedures included two investigations by the local union, the national union and the grievance procedure Quote: There were two investigations performed regarding J. J.'s allegation on personal harassment.
The first investigation was an internal investigation done by a representative of the National Union. The second investigation was done as J. J. made a formal complaint to the employer. The employer hired an outside investigator to perform the investigator. Both investigators determined there was not enough evidence to support a finding of personal harassment. During testimony at the hearings (D. Y.) said that he was not questioned by Dave Ginter in 2005. (D. Y.) said the first time he was questioned was by (CUPE 561 Investigator R. S.) and then (SD43 Investigator D. P.) and then (CUPE BC Rep. S. K). Not one witness confirmed at the hearings that they were interviewed by Mr. Ginter during 2005. ............... During the hearings I had asked Mr. Ginter for the shop steward's job description. Mr. Ginter claimed there was no job description for the shop steward. A few weeks ago I discovered on CUPE 561's website the Constitution and By-Laws of CUPE 561 (revised June 2007). It wasn't on that website before this year. It clearly shows the shop steward's job description. ................. I would like the Tribunal to consider the following evidence if my case is allowed to be re-opened - - testimony of the witnesses (A. H.), (D. Y.), (D. K.), (V. B.) - Constitution and By-Laws of CUPE 561(revised June 2007) - 2 Issues of Shoptalk 561 newsletter that states (A. H.) was a shop steward in two separate terms during 2003 and 2004 (during the time I was questioning losing seniority). (A. H.) claimed at the hearings that he couldn't recall being a shop steward. You said - Quote: At this point, I'm not sure what your objective is - what you're planning on arguing in the JR or what you're looking for as a remedy. It would be helpful if you could fill us in on that. You've posted a lot of information on your blog about your collective agreement and your legal battle with your union and employer but it's not clear what you're seeking to accomplish. Added a few more items to the BLOG |
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Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 128 Location: Canada |
I was going to post a lot of stuff today but spent all day just preparing the material.
In order to post on uncharted I have to find the documents on my computer and then I have to read through the documents and highlight what I want to edit. By edit I mean I convert full names into initials, or into first name and last initial. This is slow work. Then I have to copy and paste the document, or partial document, and add it to other text to make a complete story or explanation. To post items on the blog I have to change the text in order to make it readable. The blog doesn't accept text in the same way as word processing on the computer. The blog has limited margins, which drives me crazy. And since I want control of all my own material I don't use a host to convert files. That means pdf files are out. To get around that I take a desktop pic, crop it, convert it into a png file and post that onto the blog as an image. That works. So, the material's prepared - late this afternoon I just have to actually post it all. Right now I'm going to take a snooze. |
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 780 Location: an ahwangan |
Quote: And since I want control of all my own material I don't use a host to convert files. That means pdf files are out. To get around that I take a desktop pic, crop it, convert it into a png file and post that onto the blog as an image. That works. I'm not sure if you would care for this or not, but Scribd offers a way to upload your files which they reproduce into an ipaper document. The ipaper is very similar to a pdf but much, much smaller. Once your document is uploaded to Scribd, they offer an embed feature that you can use on your blog. Just a thought! _________________ "Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell |
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Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 128 Location: Canada |
Thanks for the great tip atuuschaaw (killer name to type).
Actually I've already looked into scribd. To me it's too close to hosting - the documents will be flying around on the internet, somewhere. On the blog I've disabled the search feature, which means that if you 'google' anything that's written on the blog it won't show up on any search engines. But I have a feeling I might be using scribd for other things unrelated to my case at the Tribunal. Any tips to make this go faster for me are always welcome. |
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Posted some more stuff on the blog, including Remedies.
Will post more on the blog as the day progresses. BLOG |
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Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2883 Location: the 'puter |
Those are some impressive (and extensive) pieces of work PT - a case law list enough to choke a tribunal.
What I think would be fun (and revealing) would be to have the tribunal rule on each one of your remedy demands and then provide reason for denial - one at a time. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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About remedies -
That's nothing Siggy. Wait till you see the actual caselaw I presented to the Tribunal. I'll post that list soon on the blog too. Below are some of the remedies allowed at the BC Human Rights Tribunal. The BC Human Rights Coalition helps some litigants through the human rights process. I copied the following from the Coalition website over a year ago. For an up-to-date version just visit the Coalition's website - http://www.bchrcoalition.org/files/remedies.html Found on The B.C. Human Rights Coalition website - Quote: Remedies
The Objective of Remedies Human rights legislation in Canada is remedial in nature. It is governed by the belief that discriminatory actions and attitudes can be changed and influenced over time by education, discussion and presentation of facts. As a result, when the facts determine that discrimination occurred, remedies focus on stopping the discrimination, preventing it from happening again, and making the victim of discrimination whole. Types of Remedies Cease and refrain orders, including orders to: stop the discrimination and refrain from future occurrences. And orders that specify steps to correct the effects of the discrimination and prevent future reoccurrences such as: The revision of policy and procedures to ensure they are not discriminatory, The implementation of anti-harassment or anti-discrimination policy, The implementation of a special program to address past discrimination, and or, The education of an entire workforce, or to those found in contravention of the Code. Restorative or Reinstatement orders, including making available the right, opportunity or privilege that was denied such as: The provision of a job reference or a letter of reference, The removal of negative performance appraisals from personnel files, Reinstatement to a former job, or a transfer to a new job, The promotion to a position that you were entitled to, The provision of support in applying for a disability program, and or, The provision of the next available apartment. Lost Wages and Expense orders may include compensation for losses experienced as a result of the discrimination such as: All or part of lost wages and benefits, including sick days and severance pay, All or part of the expenses incurred as a result of being denied an opportunity or a service, The cost of medical expenses incurred as a result of the discrimination including the cost of counseling, Out-of-pocket expenses related to your complaint, All or part of the cost associated with the hearing of your complaint, and or, Interest on any of these costs. Injury to Dignity and Self-Respect orders: where the Tribunal member considers payment of an amount that is adequate to compensate for injury to dignity, feelings and self-respect. In BC, while no legislative ceiling limits the amount of an injury to dignity award, the highest Tribunal award in this category at January 2006 is $15,000.00. More Information As each case of discrimination is different, the degree of the contravention will influence the assessment of what an appropriate remedy ought to be. If youre curious about what others have gained, visit the Tribunals website for past decisions and awards. Individuals making claims for lost wages and expenses should be mindful that the Tribunal will look at whether you have made responsible attempts to mitigate (or lessen) your losses. This could include looking at your job search records or your attempts to find alternate housing. Enforcing Remedies Settlement Agreements Where both parties agree to settle a complaint prior to a full hearing, a Complaint Withdrawal Form should be filed with the Tribunal. If there is a breach of the terms of a settlement agreement, either party may apply to the BC Supreme Court to enforce the agreement. Final Orders Once the Tribunal has issued an order, either party can request a certified copy of the final decision from the Tribunal and file it with the BC Supreme Court for the purposes of enforcement. |
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Quote: ...remedies focus on stopping the discrimination, preventing it from happening again, and making the victim of discrimination whole. Or did I miss the point of the 4 grand settlement? My how times have changed, it used to be called hush money now it's called remedy. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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Gag Order
I thought the following remedy on the list would be a nice touch - to let everyone know exactly where I stood - "- No 'gag order', of any kind, will be agreed to by me." |
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Quote: No 'gag order', of any kind,... _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie |
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Caselaw used at the Tribunal hearings -
On the blog I've posted the list of cases, authorities and references that I gave the Tribunal. Regarding all the caselaw I submitted to the Tribunal - Some of the cases I used couldn't be found on the internet, at least not on the free sites. For several of the older cases I had to go to the Vancouver courthouse and search the free public computers at the courthouse libraries. I did that mostly while we took our lunch breaks at the Tribunal. The Tribunal offices are just a few blocks from the Vancouver courthouse. Easy walking distance. Those courthouse libraries have access, via computer, to cases from all over Canada, including from paid law sites on the internet. The paid sites are also free to library users. There are also tons of lawbooks at the library, containing all kinds of arbitration cases, old and new, and all kinds of other cases. At first I printed out the cases at the courthouse and took them home to read. At 25 cents a page, that started off being expensive. Then I found out I could email the cases from the courthouse computers to my email address. Went home and downloaded them on my own computer. So easy. One case was so hard to find - it was unreported - that I emailed the lawyer involved (in another province) and asked if she would be kind enough to email me a copy of the case. She did that. In my Book of Articles (which consisted of the authorities & references) that I gave to the Tribunal Member I also included caselaw from other countries. That list's been posted on the blog as well. I've just posted the lists, as noted above, not the actual cases and articles. And I'm not going to post all the cases, articles, authorities and references. That's an incredible amount of pages. But if anyone is interested in reading any of the cases and articles on the lists, and you can't find the particular articles while googling for them, PM me and I'll either send you the URL where I found the articles, or I'll email you the article(s) in pdf form. Here's the BLOG |
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What gave me the idea to go on the internet about my case?
John D., the Casual Painter in charge of the other casual crew while I worked at the school district, told me at the Tribunal hearings that, because he was now a Member-At-Large on the CUPE 561 Executive Board, he had access to all the documents regarding my case at the Tribunal. That was news to me. That means that the entire executive board had access to the same materials. All those people were reading all the documents regarding my case at the BC Human Rights Tribunal. Who knew. Most of the people on the CUPE 561 Executive Board and on the CUPE 561 Committees are men from the SD43 Maintenance Department. Transparency, accountability, responsibility, fairness, democracy - words that commonly come up in articles and speeches from CUPE National and CUPE BC. Wouldn't the people on the CUPE 561 Executive Board believe in the same principles? Why should only the executive board be privy to what transpired. Why not be a real democracy at the union and let all CUPE members know what really went on. What gave me the idea to go on the internet about my case? I actually give Dave Ginter, President of CUPE 561, some of the credit. When the Tribunal hearings were going on Dave Ginter decided to do something he'd never done before - write about it in CUPE 561's Shop Talk newsletter and put it on the internet on the CUPE 561 website. He wrote about the hearings several times, putting his own unique spin on it. No other CUPE member, past or present, had ever had so many write-ups about their grievances or complaints before. I was actually named in one of the issues. Nobody had ever been named before, in relation to their case, in Shop Talk - as far as I could see by looking at back-issues. Just about everyone in the Maintenance Department, I presume, knew about J. J. the female painter. I worked there long enough. I've slowly been getting over my depression and embarrassment about my case and have decided to forge ahead. This might help somebody else in the future. And I'm still not working at the school district. So, I'm free to talk. The internet can be a powerful tool for the ordinary worker, like myself, who's still pursuing full justice. To read what Dave Ginter wrote about me in the various issues of Shoptalk, and why I put the Costs Application in to the Tribunal, go to the BLOG Also, don't forget to read How CUPE 561 helped change J. J.'s status at SD43. |
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