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Laboryes	Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:38 pm
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1967	Ok this was posted in another thread http://forums.uncharted.ca/viewtopic.php?t=931&start=435 but I thought maybe we should start a new thread to discuss it. Quote: What Hartwell & Hansen have done to Tunzi IMO is absolutely unforgivable! And we all know that Hansen has had his (bloody) hands in screwing alot of others within the UFCW! Just to name a few...Doug Slaydon and the 588 nightmare!...The RISE UP gang from local 648!...The local 135 election in San Diego and now the Rick Crane/local 1036 cluster fuck! Oh! And let us not forget the P-9 Strike! And with all this injustice and pain that this labor faker has caused good hard working people within the UFCW there is actually some idiots out there that want to dub this sellout "Labor Leader of the Year" Yes it's true! See here http://www.ilaboral.org/dinner2008/index.html Awhile back this thread was brought up http://forums.uncharted.ca/viewtopic.php?t=999 and discussed in personal emails. There was some talk about doing a protest at this event. At this time I'm proposing that we do indeed organize and hold a picket and protest at this event! Here is a rough draft of a flyer we could use to get the message out http://groceryworkers.org/protesting-labor-faker-of-the-yearjoseph-t.pdf/download Any thoughts or input? Like I said in the other thread we will have to get serious and start brain storming on this thing if we are going to pull this off because time is short! So what's everyones thoughts? _________________ "When people refuse to obey, then democracy comes alive." Howard Zinn
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skywalker	Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:25 pm
Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 592 Location: California	Very Good flyer LY! Now, if I were going to transition this battle from an UNCHARTED conversation to a full blown political street brawl, this is exactly the event and forum that I would use to launch this battle's next phase. By January 18, 2008 the U.S. political presidential primary season will have been in full swing by a couple of weeks,. This particular event will be hosted by zillions of Organized Labor folks and will feature the one and only, Hillary Clinton. One of the key things that I would be doing right now is securing a printing company(Union if possible) that will donate the "Boycott" Hansen posters. A simple picture of Hansen with a red line through his face should do the trick. You will also need a couple of key organizers and someone with a few press contacts, then you will need 100 people or so at the San Francisco Hilton event holding these signs and making lots of noise. I hardly think, that Organized Labor and or the Democratic Party wants this kind of emarrassment, especially given the fact that the National Media will be there taking pictures of everything in site, but then again we didn't start this war, therefore it is not our problem, it's their problem to solve, I am certain that they know how to get in touch of Hansen, Loveall, Hartwell and Kasparian should they so choose. _________________ Seek the Truth
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unionnow	Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:44 pm
Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail	With California's primary coming up there is bound to be some political muscle there. We gotta give our friends in SF a call. Its going to be some work but its bound to be worth it. _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2)
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John A. Joslin	Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:34 pm
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 83 Location: Detroit, Michigan U.S.A. IBEW #58	skywalker wrote: One of the key things that I would be doing right now is securing a printing company(Union if possible) that will donate the "Boycott" Hansen posters. It might be more of a sure thing to just pay a union printer to print 100 picket sign -sized placards. Am only thinking that a good idea like this shouldn't completely depend on an uninvolved party's willingness to foot the bill... Anyway , if someone would provide an address, I'd kick in something. *note: A very loose estimate of union printer's fee for quantity of 100 - 14" x 22" placards, 2 colors , say black & red ( for one example of a 2nd color ) on a white background is $250 - $450. That would include a brief sit-down session w/ their customer service rep/ art person to work out a satisfactory design. Since the initial consultation & printing set-up will cost the same for a LARGE order as a small one , of course the unit cost plummets when you order more placards. For example , last year we paid $ 1,200 for 2,000 2-color picket signs . So that's about 60 cents apiece. In my experience Union printers kind of like dealing with union folks who aren't necessarily their usual "official " union customers. They aren't dummies, and I think they appreciate dealing w/the non-hack element once in a while.
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Laboryes	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:43 am
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1967	Just a few other thoughts. Being that there will be tons of media at this event it might be a good idea to have spokes people from different locals. There are alot of stories to tell when it comes to Joe Hansen and his treatment(or lack of) when it come to the dues paying members of the UFCW. Some key members prepared to speak with the media might be people like Doug Slaydon, Bill Sable & Jen Garcia from 648, Ross from 135, Rick Crane and others from 1036. It would also be good to see Bill Pearson & John Briley show up and speak with media! I think our biggest battle will be getting enough people to show to catch the eye of the media. Maybe we could get some brothers and sisters from LMV to show they love this kind of action! Just a few thoughts to keep the ball rolling! _________________ "When people refuse to obey, then democracy comes alive." Howard Zinn
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SharynS	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:46 am
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2939 Location: the 'puter	Awesome flyer Ly. Same as John, count me in. _________________ Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself. - Salman Rushdie
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Pearson	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:50 am
Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1417 Location: Sun City AZ	I gotta ask...what's the goal? Are you trying to get Tunzi his pension? I'm not sure that is what his attorney wants at this juncture. Seems to me the punitive relief could be far greater than just a monthly paycheck and health care coverage. Somebody should find out; unless the goal is just to embarrass Hansen. _________________ If we don't do it, who will?
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Laboryes	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:03 am
Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1967	Pearson wrote: I gotta ask...what's the goal? Are you trying to get Tunzi his pension? I'm not sure that is what his attorney wants at this juncture. Seems to me the punitive relief could be far greater than just a monthly paycheck and health care coverage. Somebody should find out; unless the goal is just to embarrass Hansen. Bill I think the real goal here is be able to get everyones story out to the media. To many members in the past few years have been fucked by this organization all with Hansen's blessing! Members have gone to feds, the NLRB, the DOL and everytime are stone walled! So this event is members chance to make their voices heard and hope someone will listen! Hansen has been given plenty of chances to work with members that have come to him for help but he still refuses to acknowledge them than anymore than dues revenue machines! Tunzi's story was just the straw that broke the camels back! If this event helps Tunzi's problem great! If not at least maybe someone in main stream media might pic up the story of his or the many others that have been screwed over by Hansen and this organization! _________________ "When people refuse to obey, then democracy comes alive." Howard Zinn
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skywalker	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:35 am
Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 592 Location: California	Laboryes wrote: I think our biggest battle will be getting enough people to show to catch the eye of the media. Ly and all, perhaps all of the people that will take part in this can all wear the same shirt top a bright same colored t-shirt and it can have a nice easy to see catch phrase on it like, HANSEN WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH You have 100 people floating around together in the same shirt and holding the same boycott sign and you are pretty sure to get the attention of some of the news hounds maybe even an interview or two. I would think that a hundred people is reasonable especially when you have the entire Bay Area to pull from. Pearson did bring up a good point, as to what the goal should be? Simple, To demand Justice and dignity for the many suffering people who have been screwed mercilessly by the UFCW during the past few years. The list speaks for itself and many of these issues have already been aired out on the UNCHARTED web site. We need to take our case directly to Organized Labor and the Democratic Party. Seems like January 18, 2007 at the San Fransisco Hilton would be the perfect place to start. IMO Again, we did not start this war, the UFCW did. If the UFCW Leadership is not capable of resolving even the simplest of matters then we have no other choice but to take a pro active approach with the entire pool of Organized Labor and the Democratic Party faithful. Perhaps when this UFCW collective "Tar Baby" is laid at the door step of Organized Labor and the Democratic Party maybe then the UFCW might be encouraged by some of their more rational and intelligent peers to resolve their many on going and dispicable dirty laundry issues before these UFCW sins spill over on everyone else connected with Labor and or the Democratic Party especially in 2008. I think the gloves must come off. The UFCW has had their chance. Playing by the rules only works when both sides play fair. Well, I think it is safe to say that the UFCW in its current mind set is not capable of playing fair. Of course, I could be wrong, only time will tell, but the time is very short and the UFCW Rank and File army and their friends in the UFCW retiree special forces are advancing from all sides. It is time to S__T or get off the pot. The UFCW has taken their best "SHOT" at destroying our collective will and they missed. Well folks, Now its our turn. _________________ Seek the Truth
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Elvis	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:09 am
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 661 Location: Toronto	skywalker, you actually gonna show up to this event? I picture you in the skimpy ANTI-HANSEN cheerleading outfit. Running around with a big cone doing some cool chants... _________________ Henri Ducard: Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share. Bruce Wayne: That's why it's so important. It separates us from them.
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unionnow	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:28 am
Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail	Quote: I gotta ask...what's the goal? I was thinking about that today. I hate to screw up this organizations big fundraiser and I hate to embarrass San Francisco Labor but..... Let's put a permit. Get ready to protest and ask them to intercede with Hansen for us on a few issues. Give them a deadline of 5 January and if they don’t then we will do a rally. I can think of a few issues that Hansen should be helping us with.........what about you? _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2)
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skywalker	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:47 am
Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 592 Location: California	unionnow wrote: Give them a deadline of 5 January and if they don’t then we will do a rally. Excellent idea Unionnow, Giving the UFCW an actuall opportunity to clean up some of the crap in California is the right thing to do and by all means, they should be given that chance, for the Zillionth time. But if they don't take us seriously this time or simply just continue to Cluster Fuck us like has been the case all along, then by all means, I for one, will be at the January 18, 2007 protest rally, and I will come prepared to speak with the media. Better yet, I will speak to the media giving them binders of factual information! After all, this is not some kind of silly joke but rather it is very seroius business, and I for one, will conduct myself accordingly and with total precision. It's their call Unionnow! _________________ Seek the Truth
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unionnow	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:37 am
Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 695 Location: Gettin the Hell out of retail	Well, Lets not hold any hope out that they will do the right thing but at least we will be on record. It is only going to work if the SF end agrees so we will have to see. I can think of a few things.... 1. Regular timely notice of Business meetings at local 8 UFCW. Meeting noticed is to be posted on the Internet and in the newsletter months before the meeting. The newsletter is to be in the mail at least 5 weeks before the meeting. 2. How about a parliamentarian at the meeting not chosen by anyone connected with the union. 3. What about conducting the meetings at Local 8 according to the bylaws and the International constitution. That means a reading of the minutes and the posting of the current financials as per International law. Anything else? _________________ “The burden against Damascus. ‘Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1-2)
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Pearson	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:56 pm
Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1417 Location: Sun City AZ	Thanks for the clarification LY. It would seem to me you would be better asking for a meeting with Joe where you could talk as a collective group of ufcw members who are unhappy with the way you are represented rather than having a list of demands The complaints should be spelled out and those of you who resent what has happened could argue them in conjunction with a written explanation of what the remedies should be. If the goal is to just embarrass the ufcw and Hansen then don't bother wasting time with demands simply plan the demonstration and be prepared to articulate to the press why you are there. Either way, the issues have to be laid out in a way that people understand. Just being angry will mean nothing. Just being there will get attention (for a few minutes) and then you will be done. If there is substance to the claims (and there is), then you can work them without too much effort. Skywalker has already began talking of providing the notebook for folks, but it should be a collective narration of why. Like JJ, i would be willing to pitch in if money is the issue. _________________ If we don't do it, who will?
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ross53	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:49 pm
Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1435 Location: california	Ly, Great work I love your poster of Mr. Hansen. I agree with JJ, Siggy, and Pearson I would like to make a financial contribution if need be. I also have a lots of “original” documents that if made public IMO will be very detrimental to the UFCW organization, in the past I have kept one step back simply because my sincere concern about other people opinion once the document are posted on the web site. In January 2008 maybe the right time to go public. Mr. John Briley I have “all” of the depositions that you and the other local presidents gave to the judge during your case against the International, in your opinion should I post some of them maybe all of them. What do you think? Skywalker, I have a copy of Rosaliyn Savage original complaint should I make that available on uncharted. The words writen in that complaint are unbelievable but I know this, the UFCW reach on agreement with Rosalyn before the court date, and the UFCW honored that agreement, therefore in my opinion her complain is based on "FACTS" Pearson, I don’t believe that Mr. Joseph T. Hansen would give the rank and file the time of day, we can surely try but I don’t see Mr. Hansen responding positively to it. I will contact Mr. Tunzi and ask him of his opinion and I will post it. _________________ " I always wondered why somebody doesn't do something about that. Then I realized I was somebody" Lilly Tomlin.
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